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May 26, 2017
2:47:31pm

MormonDevil All-American

Sorry all you Children of the 90s (of which I am one) ...

Lebron is better than Jordan. Bigger, stronger, just as quick, better defender, better passer, etc., etc. The perception that Jordan is better is based in large part of what Jordan did off the court in terms of marketing. In a strictly basketball sense, Lebron is the superior player.

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Sorry all you Children of the 90s (of which I am one) ...

MormonDevil

5/26/17 2:47pm

Wrong. And I'm not a child of the 90s.

Kerbouchard

5/26/17 2:49pm

Not. Close.

Mathew

5/26/17 2:49pm

Not even close? Really?

MormonDevil

5/26/17 2:54pm

I think he is saying that Lebron is way better than Jordan.

Baron

5/26/17 2:58pm

Yes, really. Jordan was a better defender, better shooter, just as explosive of an athlete

IrishCooga

5/26/17 3:00pm

I think you could argue the era that Jordan played in wasn't as good as the

thebruce

5/26/17 3:06pm

Were they as good as the Mavericks team that Lebron lost to?

BYU1982

5/26/17 3:17pm

I'd probably take that mavs team over

thebruce

5/26/17 3:20pm

I kind of agree, but the difference is Lebron lost

BYU1982

5/26/17 3:27pm

Yes, but 1 year doesn't make a career.

thebruce

5/26/17 3:40pm

Again, difference is Jordan never turned into a shell like Lebron did

BYU1982

5/26/17 3:44pm

And Jordan never had a series as good as LeBron v gsw in 2016

thebruce

5/26/17 4:02pm

Jordan vs. Suns in '93 Finals: 41.0 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 6.3 apg. Best ever, period.

Game Changer

5/26/17 5:07pm

I actually watched that entire series last summer...I even posted about it on CB

thebruce

5/26/17 5:25pm

Bro, that team was terrible. JJ Barea was a factor.

macaroni

5/26/17 3:35pm

Not a great team but... That's my point.

thebruce

5/26/17 3:59pm

That's insane. Their second best player was a 37 year old Jason Kidd who was out of the league after the next year.

macaroni

5/26/17 6:56pm

Jason Kidd was probably their 5th or 6th best player

thebruce

5/26/17 8:05pm

He can't be anything over 5th; he played the 2nd most minutes on the team. But even then it doesn't speak well of them

macaroni

5/26/17 8:51pm

Rick Carlisle is a great coach.

thebruce

5/26/17 9:12pm

At least those teams had multiple all stars.

macaroni

5/26/17 9:58pm

Tyson chandler was an all star

thebruce

5/26/17 10:21pm

trucked? oh, come on, bruce. no way you actually believe that.

macaroni

5/26/17 11:21pm

I am very familiar with what those teams had. I watched those series last

thebruce

5/27/17 6:31am

I think I already explained win totals. It's a non sequitur argument. They didn't play the same teams, nor did they play

macaroni

5/27/17 8:58am

I'm not pumping them up--I'm saying they are the same caliber as those other

thebruce

5/27/17 9:14am

There is no metric that shows they were comparable to any of those teams. I also never said they couldn't make the team.

macaroni

5/27/17 10:34am

Also, a number of your details were wrong. Dirk wasn't 37. That would make him

thebruce

5/27/17 6:39am

Kidd was 37. In sorry, but a guy who averages 10 ppg and can only score on lobs doesn't scare me.

macaroni

5/27/17 9:03am

Try game planning against an elite rim runner.

thebruce

5/27/17 9:19am

Here's a link that shows what I'm talking about.

thebruce

5/27/17 9:23am

Oh, I realize that but we aren't talking about Amare' here. We are talking about a career 8ppg guy. If HE were that good

macaroni

5/27/17 10:30am

Yup.....that Mavs team routinely makes the lists of "Worst Championship team"

BoiseBlue

5/26/17 4:06pm

Yep, and Jordan was a favorite in all 6 of his Finals appearances. Lebron

messi

5/26/17 3:19pm

Probably because they have Michael Jordan.

macaroni

5/26/17 3:21pm

I do this hesitantly, but I liked your post

IrishCooga

5/26/17 3:41pm

Several of Jordan's teams would have been underdogs to last year's

messi

5/26/17 3:55pm

Absolutely.

thebruce

5/26/17 4:05pm

Maybe. Maybe not. MJ has a lot of sway, and don't forget that he played teams like the Warriors on his way to the finals

macaroni

5/26/17 6:58pm

RE: Maybe. Maybe not. MJ has a lot of sway, and don't forget that he played

messi

5/26/17 7:30pm

Well said!

macaroni

5/26/17 7:35pm

That's an interesting take. I don't think there is a much talent today, but players are probably better. I think the

macaroni

5/26/17 3:20pm

Players are far more skilled and versatile today.

thebruce

5/26/17 3:30pm

We are in agreement. I wrote essentially the same thing.

macaroni

5/26/17 3:45pm

To me it's a matter of math.

thebruce

5/26/17 4:24pm

Uh...but you have more teams. How is that better math? You're making the argument that old school guys make against this

macaroni

5/26/17 7:04pm

As I said before... Those teams in the 80s/90s for the most part sucked, had too

thebruce

5/27/17 6:46am

Ok, make that argument. That lends itself more to the fact that more players are more skilled in different ways

IrishCooga

5/26/17 3:44pm

the game has changed a lot.

thebruce

5/26/17 5:12pm

Better shooter?

5/26/17 6:16pm

Ok, this is the worst possible answer you can give, because it's very close and

messi

5/26/17 2:55pm

Really? when I opined LBJ was the best you laughed at me.

RalphWiggam

5/26/17 3:25pm

Ha, no. I laughed because somebody complained that Lebron whined and you

messi

5/26/17 4:02pm

It was more like a "who cares if he whines? He's the GOAT" but oh well.

RalphWiggam

5/26/17 4:46pm

Come on. Sure he is, and it's probably as close as splitting hairs.

Kerbouchard

5/26/17 2:56pm

Not even close.

IrishCooga

5/26/17 3:01pm

Evidence?

5/26/17 6:17pm

Close and getting closer, especially if Lebron wins this year

Memmo

5/26/17 2:58pm

yes close...but i'd take MJ

nashty

5/26/17 3:17pm

Who's close? Kobe? No one is closer than LBJ.

5/26/17 4:26pm

RE: Sorry all you Children of the 90s (of which I am one) ...

WDaddy

5/26/17 2:50pm

#5 is just amazing on so many levels.

byubyu

5/26/17 2:53pm

The perception that Jordan is a better player is based off of

BoiseBlue

5/26/17 2:59pm

stats are about even though depending on which you use. as far as the

smokymountainrain

5/26/17 3:04pm

I agree with you - the stats are a razor-thin margin.....

BoiseBlue

5/26/17 3:24pm

What's crazy is Lebron is 32 years old. His body can play for another

HingleMcCringleberry

5/26/17 3:09pm

Crazy to think that Lebron could basically start a new career as a traditional 4

CaliWG

5/26/17 3:22pm

Where this argument falls apart is when you consider Bill Russell.

RBCoug

5/26/17 3:18pm

Agree, one superstar with 4 supporting players who has the most rings

germ1

5/26/17 4:13pm

LeBron = better athlete. But in terms of skill, Jordan was significantly better

Game Changer

5/26/17 3:02pm

Significantly? Really?

MormonDevil

5/26/17 3:03pm

Yeah, I think so. And I don't even like the guy. LeBron is a freakish athlete

Game Changer

5/26/17 3:06pm

I dispute the notion that James is a better athlete.

IrishCooga

5/26/17 3:04pm

I think LeBron's size and strength allows him to do things that Jordan never

Game Changer

5/26/17 3:09pm

Go back and watch Jordan highlights.

slowhiteguy

5/26/17 3:03pm

RE: Sorry all you Children of the 90s (of which I am one) ...

YardTime

5/26/17 3:08pm

I'm telling ya, this apple is far more apple than that orange. Sorry orange lovers.

5/26/17 3:11pm

Yep, people have a hard time letting go of nostalgia. Also, the more time goes

Crush4

5/26/17 3:11pm

The offsetting love of what is "now" and forgetting about how great people

BYU1982

5/26/17 3:15pm

Exactly. So many "LeBron is the GOAT!!!" posts during the games. Recency bias.

Game Changer

5/26/17 3:20pm

lol... This LeBron love is insane he's great, but he ain't Mike.

Cougar86

5/26/17 3:11pm

IMHO it's very close. But I just can't give the GOAT title to someone who is

BYU_CPU

5/26/17 3:15pm

Not a good shot?

HingleMcCringleberry

5/26/17 3:19pm

Yes, he has a high percentage. Largely impart to lay-ins and dunks. Take those

BYU_CPU

5/26/17 3:27pm

Teams are not leaving him wide open at the 3

HingleMcCringleberry

5/26/17 3:35pm

Agree to disagree. What I see are guys close enough to not give him a running

BYU_CPU

5/26/17 3:38pm

That is definitely something interesting that Lebron brings in his game though,

HingleMcCringleberry

5/26/17 3:40pm

Not a great shot, but he's not a bad shot. I'd bet MJ was worse.

5/26/17 6:24pm

Jordan NEVER lost in the finals. 6-0. Lebron is #2 but it's not by a wide margin

cougarnerd

5/26/17 3:17pm

How many times did he lose in the first round? What about LeBron?

byubyu

5/26/17 3:19pm

LeBron did, but didn't he have Iglauskas and Snow

Crush4

5/26/17 3:20pm

Like Lebron in 2011 when he still lost?

BYU1982

5/26/17 3:22pm

Lebron has been to 7 straight finals and 8 total

RBCoug

5/26/17 3:27pm

Again, I don't think the margin is very wide.

cougarnerd

5/26/17 3:34pm

but the eastern conference teams are not nearly as good as they were when Jordan

budYu

5/26/17 3:34pm

This is a fair point. There were some easy ones for sure, but a few years back

RBCoug

5/26/17 3:50pm

Golden States championship year it lined up for them but last year they had to

budYu

5/26/17 3:55pm

True. It varies from year to year. Lebron had some tough series earlier, but it

RBCoug

5/26/17 4:00pm

Winning the East is not that impressive, conference has been very weak for years

Game Changer

5/26/17 3:36pm

Jordan was more clutch than any other player in history. Period.

idacoug

5/26/17 3:31pm

LOL. #1 was like a Title winning celebration. Didn't they lose that series?

5/26/17 3:36pm

Every MJ buzzer beat ever trumps that? That seems a bit extreme...

HingleMcCringleberry

5/26/17 3:47pm

yeah, lebron's buzzer beaters tougher shots than MJ's

smokymountainrain

5/27/17 10:25am

Can't we just celebrate the fact that these two are insanely amazing?

maxpowers

5/26/17 3:48pm

Taysom Hill is bigger faster and stronger than Drew Brees

BigYfan

5/26/17 3:51pm

Keep telling yourself that, MJ is the GOAT

Dynomite

5/26/17 4:16pm

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