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Sep 17, 2014
8:52:05am

shoganai

Two separate points, in response to two separate posts.

Neither of them with the intent to "take" anybody anywhere.

1. Modern Japan is radically different than post-isolation Imperial Japan.

2. Living in Japan allowed me a first-hand (or at least closer second-hand) view of Japanese society and history, which clarified my view and understanding of some things.

Those seem like fairly obvious and benign comments, so I'm still not sure why I'm being challenged on them. Do you disagree with one of those two things specifically?

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shoganai

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Had my first feelings of racism recently

Bravescoug

9/14/14 7:52pm

I am really surprised that Hollywood is making this into a film

jrifkin48

9/14/14 7:54pm

Not really different from making a Schindler's List

runnincoug

9/14/14 8:19pm

The Japan of about 1950-present is so different from Imperial era Japan that...

shoganai

9/14/14 7:56pm

I'm not so sure about that.

Supercoug

9/14/14 8:32pm

Have you been to Japan?

shoganai

9/14/14 9:05pm

What do you mean by "never see WWII the same again"?

Y'zFan

9/14/14 9:10pm

Context.

shoganai

9/14/14 9:26pm

You should try visiting some of the countries they decimated.

Supercoug

9/15/14 4:12am

or just wikipedia the rape of nanking.

erkimust

9/15/14 11:01am

I had never heard about that. Wow, that is awful, awful stuff

runnincoug

9/15/14 2:05pm

I've been to that museum. One of the worst experiences ever. Tragic.

Supercoug

9/15/14 2:08pm

Careful, though. Remember, it's in China, and designed by the Chinese Communist

Japan Coug

9/15/14 8:19pm

No doubt. There's no substitute for first-hand exposure.

shoganai

9/15/14 6:05pm

I think you're simplifying things too much

macaroni

9/15/14 1:58pm

How so?

shoganai

9/15/14 6:04pm

Because you're only taking into account certain cultural things. And even then

macaroni

9/15/14 8:41pm

Who excused their actions?

shoganai

9/15/14 8:46pm

You did because now you "understand". Like you really don't understand.

macaroni

9/16/14 8:12am

Understanding what caused it doesn't excuse it.

shoganai

9/16/14 6:09pm

I'm interested to know what your point was.

Supercoug

9/16/14 8:21pm

Two separate points, in response to two separate posts.

shoganai

9/17/14 8:52am

What do those two points have to do with the OP? And for #2, in what ways is it

Supercoug

9/17/14 6:54pm

RE: What do those two points have to do with the OP? And for #2, in what ways is

shoganai

9/17/14 7:12pm

I'm not sure why anyone challenges you.

Supercoug

9/17/14 7:23pm

I'm guessing you're incapable of saying, "sorry. I misspoke." Got it...

macaroni

9/17/14 8:56pm

Then help us understand. Because what we all read is that now you

macaroni

9/16/14 9:16pm

I don't really understand what you're challenging me on here.

shoganai

9/17/14 8:56am

Seems like a lot of people made that inference. Perhaps you should consider

Supercoug

9/17/14 7:25pm

Which part confused you?

shoganai

9/17/14 7:30pm

Simply explain your response to my 1st response. Specifically, how

Supercoug

9/17/14 7:45pm

I don't think it would do either of those things. Nor did I ever say it would.

shoganai

9/17/14 8:02pm

If that's what you think you wrote, maybe you're just a terrible writer

macaroni

9/17/14 9:03pm

Well, that's what the words I wrote actually say, so...

shoganai

9/17/14 9:09pm

So everyone is wrong and you're right. Got it

macaroni

9/18/14 6:55am

Ok, that's just a lie. Be a man here.

macaroni

9/17/14 8:59pm

I'm guessing you're incapable of saying, "sorry. I misspoke." Got it...

macaroni

9/17/14 8:57pm

Nope. You're wrong and you're the one who won't admit it.

shoganai

9/17/14 9:01pm

RE: Had my first feelings of racism recently

gwalker

9/14/14 7:56pm

RE: Had my first feelings of racism recently

Bravescoug

9/14/14 8:00pm

well then you shouldn't watch 12 Years a Slave.

tisdaplace

9/14/14 7:57pm

That's an interesting phenomenon

korihor

9/14/14 8:11pm

I keep forgetting that there are now 2-3 generations in the U.S. that

boogers

9/14/14 8:19pm

That wasn't my first book on POWs in Japan, but the first time I felt similarly

runnincoug

9/14/14 8:17pm

Well compared what they did to thousands of Koreans, Chinese and Philippinos

kotacoug

9/14/14 8:28pm

Nothing could make the Nazis cringe.

gwalker

9/14/14 8:45pm

At some point, things are so evil, it's hard to understand things being worse

runnincoug

9/14/14 9:04pm

Forgiving on their part as well, considering that we blew

IndependentGeorge

9/14/14 8:29pm

Well we probably saved them 10s of thousands of lives in doing so

kotacoug

9/14/14 8:32pm

I get that I'm American and biased, but hard to see how we can be faulted when

runnincoug

9/14/14 9:06pm

A friend of my dad's is japanese and his wife is Chinese. The Parents of the

WDaddy

9/14/14 8:25pm

The Chinese are opening up to inter-racial/ethnic marriages, but still

Supercoug

9/14/14 8:34pm

My mom was born and raised in Hong Kong. That sentiment is spot on.

ldssdl

9/14/14 8:49pm

Taiwanese don't hate the Japanese as much.

ChinoCoug

9/14/14 10:08pm

In fact, they don't hate them at all. The Taiwanese I know all love the Japanese

Japan Coug

9/15/14 8:45pm

And the Japanese treat Taiwanese like a kid brother they made in Japan's image.

ChinoCoug

9/16/14 6:47am

Try reading Flyboys. Madness. Outrageous treatment of American flyers.

toadie

9/14/14 8:59pm

Separate the race from the actions.

Blue Print

9/14/14 9:03pm

Excellent point. Blaming "the Japanese" as a race/people today for the actions

Japan Coug

9/16/14 12:51pm

I'm not so sure it was "relatively few", but my point still holds.

Blue Print

9/16/14 1:11pm

It wasn't few at all, it was widespread in Japanese culture, but what I think

runnincoug

9/16/14 3:08pm

What percentage of the Japanese population do you think was wreaking havoc in

Japan Coug

9/16/14 5:34pm

Sorry this is long

Skiking20

9/14/14 10:07pm

RE: Sorry this is long

Bravescoug

9/14/14 11:15pm

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