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Jul 11, 2015
3:32:09pm

db59840

someone to do something against the counsel of the prophets. Bishops are judges in Israel, not kings.

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db59840

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Frank Jackson may not serve a mission

melcahoon

7/9/15 10:40am

I don't like the article headline. He isn't still undecided

kccougar

7/9/15 10:42am

He also was once 100% committed to BYU and now he isn't!

Bensoncoug

7/9/15 10:44am

True.

kccougar

7/9/15 10:45am

He and Jabari were once "100% committed"

Y4LYFE

7/9/15 2:48pm

Jabari was never 100% anything

AzCoug1

7/9/15 5:38pm

This is the natural progression of a recruit who doesn't attend BYU

Hinta

7/9/15 10:45am

It's sad...but an accurate description.

BluePete

7/9/15 10:52am

In this case I think the affects of a mission on a potential NBA career have

johnnybyu

7/9/15 11:18am

Havent there been several Duke players who went on missions? I think there was

BYUfan92

7/9/15 12:20pm

Yes, one at least. That isn't my point though.

bluefish

7/9/15 1:03pm

Matt Christensen = Duke Bench Big, Stillman White = NC pg backup

Coogar2

7/9/15 3:27pm

this is something byu could use to its advantage.

macaroni

7/9/15 3:48pm

Meh. It's his decision, and I wish him luck, regardless of his mission status.

kunarcougar

7/9/15 10:54am

Exactly.

PGVikingDad

7/9/15 11:11am

Just curious, would you feel the same way if it was your son?

bulletproof

7/9/15 11:15am

You don't get the meh attitude about other people's kids serving missions?

The Dude Abides

7/9/15 11:21am

We disagree then. Saying that someone shouldn't do something because

bulletproof

7/9/15 12:08pm

Amen, Brother Proof

WhyKnot

7/9/15 1:52pm

And you get a bunch of slacker missionaries when they go because they felt they

The Dude Abides

7/9/15 1:58pm

Not true at all

Tom Trails

7/9/15 4:20pm

I had two who made my mission miserable.

BYUALWAYSNUM1

7/9/15 10:04pm

RE: We disagree then. Saying that someone shouldn't do something because

CrimsonSpear

7/9/15 7:12pm

Have you ever served in young men's? I know how much a mission means in

Gentleman Stan

7/9/15 1:30pm

Yes I have. And I've seen missionaries that didn't want to go but went because

The Dude Abides

7/9/15 1:57pm

I don't think that makes much sense.

RealityCheck

7/9/15 5:08pm

You and I are just very different people.

The Dude Abides

7/9/15 5:37pm

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Gentleman Stan

7/9/15 8:39pm

"You almost make it sound like a mission isn't for everybody."

CrimsonSpear

7/9/15 7:14pm

Of course. But you being a mission president and what kind of

Gentleman Stan

7/9/15 8:36pm

I certainly would encourage a mission, but ultimately, the decision is his.

kunarcougar

7/9/15 11:28am

Don't know that anyone suggested otherwise... but speaking of strong arming...

BluePete

7/9/15 11:31am

Different schools have different climates.

kunarcougar

7/9/15 11:36am

Does "different" mean equally good?

bluefish

7/9/15 11:50am

If Frank Jackson's priority is the NBA, he will most likely choose a top

kunarcougar

7/9/15 12:17pm

No doubt. Am I taking away his agency somehow?

bluefish

7/9/15 1:11pm

No, but it's non of your business what he chooses, nor anyone else's on CB.

kunarcougar

7/9/15 1:13pm

Lets shut off cougarboard then. No point for this forum to exist without opinion

bluefish

7/9/15 1:21pm

while you may call a 18 year old kid an adult, the reality is they arent.

bulletproof

7/9/15 12:15pm

Yes, if my son was a potential NBA talent

Cougarealist

7/9/15 1:06pm

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cajuncoug

7/9/15 5:57pm

More so. A mission ruins draft status.

OliverGranger

7/9/15 11:02pm

Highland has a high rate of serving missions

OU Cougar

7/9/15 10:55am

Peer pressure can also drive people away in these situations

Mr Bassman

7/9/15 5:14pm

I mentioned quite a while ago I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't go

Fdnman

7/9/15 11:12am

I know Frank and family but this is my speculation which makes sense to me. I

johnnybyu

7/9/15 11:15am

^^ Good insights right here ^^

Big Daddy D

7/9/15 11:44am

Thanks. I am sure many people have told him he is a one and done but he it not

johnnybyu

7/9/15 11:55am

Good thoughts, although I would say a great out of conference schedule showcases

BYUfan92

7/9/15 12:28pm

If you have the talent, you will play in the NBA, whether you attend BYU or Duke

Coogar2

7/9/15 3:40pm

JohnnyBYU, you actually made several valid points. I overstated my response

Coogar2

7/9/15 3:43pm

Really have to be a mission, or the NBA? A

BYUHgrad

7/9/15 5:30pm

Really good post! Agree that 2-years off can be debilitating to NBA career.

roseyscenario

7/9/15 11:13pm

You may be right. I think the point is the Jacksons do not know how good he is

johnnybyu

7/9/15 11:37pm

This sounds about right to me.

roseyscenario

7/10/15 4:59am

His comments might be an indication of his intentions of not going to BYU

Cthack1

7/9/15 12:05pm

RE: His comments are exactly what you say to attract the most suitors

Coogar2

7/9/15 3:34pm

Thank you for expressing your feelings. Now I will express mine...it is highly

dultso

7/9/15 12:46pm

I think he's predestined not to go on a mission

vegas guey

7/9/15 12:53pm

RE: Thank you for expressing your feelings. Now I will express mine...it is

Ys_old_man

7/9/15 12:55pm

Here's the thing....

dultso

7/9/15 1:06pm

Well...if the prophet tells him not to go, he's excused. Quite frankly, if your

db59840

7/9/15 4:10pm

Too lazy to verify the date, but.....

dultso

7/9/15 4:35pm

I looked it up. Pres. Kimball announced that when Donny was about 17. I think he

db59840

7/9/15 4:40pm

Thanks. So do you believe Frank could only....

dultso

7/9/15 4:49pm

To be blunt. No. When the prophet gives counsel generally, it applies generally.

db59840

7/9/15 4:57pm

So Steve Young and his Bishop were wrong?

Accipiter

7/9/15 5:04pm

Unless his Bishop received counsel from the Prophet, yes, you bet. I'm not

db59840

7/9/15 5:11pm

You might want to bone up on the doctrine of revelation and priesthood keys.

Accipiter

7/10/15 12:34am

They only have the keys to determine worthiness. They cannot and should not tell

db59840

7/11/15 3:32pm

It's a practice that has changed many times and could change again.

roseyscenario

7/11/15 3:55pm

To be honest, I don't know if it was the....

dultso

7/9/15 5:15pm

On his website he says "church leaders" which I interpret as the Brethren, but

db59840

7/9/15 5:17pm

I'm going to end on this note, because like I said, religious debates

dultso

7/9/15 6:00pm

Nephi wasn't the Prophet nor did he get counsel from the Prophet to kill Laban

HarlemCoug

7/9/15 6:41pm

Did Nephi belong to the restored Church of Jesus Christ?

db59840

7/9/15 8:33pm

OK you are purposely trying to miss the point, aren't you?

Big Daddy D

7/9/15 10:22pm

RE: Thank you for expressing your feelings. Now I will express mine...it is

JuanitaCougar

7/9/15 1:13pm

I think it's possible that the Spirit could guide Frank into staying home.

HarlemCoug

7/9/15 1:47pm

Which Spirit? I doubt the Spirit of God would countermand the Prophet

Coogar2

7/9/15 3:33pm

I hate religious debates on here but here goes

dultso

7/9/15 4:16pm

I will. Martin Harris made Joseph pray until he got the answer he wanted.

db59840

7/9/15 5:14pm

Actually, you need to re-read that history....

dultso

7/9/15 5:21pm

No. I have the details right. In this case, God has already given us revelation

db59840

7/11/15 3:34pm

The Prophet says we won't baptize you if you're breaking the law yet we baptize

HarlemCoug

7/9/15 4:36pm

In your example, the exceptions were given via the Prophet.

db59840

7/9/15 4:58pm

Truly not meant to be judgmental...

byujdmba

7/9/15 1:14pm

How much of a difference could a mission have made for Jake Heaps?

Lance71

7/9/15 1:19pm

A mission doesn't have the same impact for everyone, but for Heaps

Coogar2

7/9/15 3:30pm

He would only have to rationalize his decision to the nosy onlookers

Mr Bassman

7/9/15 5:16pm

And the man looking back in the mirror.

byujdmba

7/10/15 10:32am

I never had justify my reasoning for not going to myself

Mr Bassman

7/12/15 12:54am

Translation: Going to Duke or Utah

Y4LYFE

7/9/15 2:48pm

This has all the earmarks of being Duke...anything else would be unlikely

Cthack1

7/9/15 2:53pm

You may regret where you play ball, but you'll never regret serving a mission.

BabyOx

7/9/15 2:56pm

I regretted it most days while out there. I'm now glad I did, but I'd hate

deljdc

7/9/15 3:44pm

That's what you get for going to Europe (just guessing).

db59840

7/9/15 4:13pm

LOL, you got it, Ireland. Cold, dreary, tracted in the rain day after day and

deljdc

7/10/15 12:13pm

That's gotta be brutal. I was lucky enough to go to a high-baptizing mission. It

db59840

7/11/15 3:35pm

For me, mission was DIFFICULT - but I have NEVER regretted it. Glad I went. Glad

OBXCougar

7/9/15 4:25pm

For me, lots of (self-inflicted pain), eventually lots of gain. Tough but great.

byujdmba

7/10/15 10:34am

I'm so shocked

Mr Bassman

7/9/15 5:09pm

Comments like these would probably get me to think about schools other than BYU

Thrill

7/9/15 6:09pm

RE: Comments like these would probably get me to think about schools other than

CrimsonSpear

7/9/15 7:17pm

^^^^ 2 smartest comments on this thread.

BoiseCoug7

7/9/15 7:36pm

That's ok!

BoiseCoug7

7/9/15 7:35pm

This thread was painful to read, for the most part.

messi

7/9/15 8:23pm

I hope he plays one or two years and turns pro. A mission can be done

OliverGranger

7/9/15 11:01pm

I can honestly say that I do not think any less of anyone who decides not to

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