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Dec 5, 2016
10:18:19pm

Graig Swame 3rd String

So only your interpretation is to be stated as fact? I was responding to the

comment about obeying God's commandments, which was given as fact, but by your same logic it should have been caveated.

I guess you're right though, I should have said I don't interpret the word of wisdom that way, and not said it as fact. But we are on an Internet forum after all, facts be darned.

But please, don't take my comment as belittling of you or anyone else's deeply held beliefs. I'm assuming we align on most of them. It's unfair however of you to ask me to not present my interpretation in a factual manner and not expect the same of yourself and the others on the board that you yourself referenced.

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Graig Swame

Previous username: El Cougador
Bio page: Graig Swame
Joined: Apr 14, 2016
Last login: May 11, 2023
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To the two beer-drinking BYU fans in the front row of Staples Center on Saturday

BringBackRoyalBlue

12/5/16 5:32pm

Hey thanks!

12/5/16 5:40pm

Was that really you?

1manwolfpack

12/5/16 9:14pm

Where do you live if it wasn't him?

Cougarpolis

12/5/16 9:27pm

Nice! Now for the people who it pains their hearts and makes them angry to see.

Polecat

12/5/16 5:42pm

Is there anyone who honestly thinks that?

RdF3

12/5/16 5:51pm

Probably the same people who think ALUFs are apostate.

OPINIONS

12/5/16 5:53pm

Beer drinkers welcome...Alufs are apostate though.

Cougarfan777

12/5/16 6:53pm

LDS church members that think that? Umm...yes. Yes there are.

Polecat

12/5/16 6:00pm

It's not my favorite to see. I agree with a big tent and hope and strive to be

ray ray

12/5/16 6:33pm

Sometimes I feel like the smiley icon,

YSMACK

12/5/16 6:42pm

Aaaaaand not drinking beer is not one of God's commands. But that's neither

Graig Swame

12/5/16 7:10pm

You may not believe it is, but I and many on this board believe it is. I'll

Cougarpolis

12/5/16 9:31pm

So only your interpretation is to be stated as fact? I was responding to the

Graig Swame

12/5/16 10:18pm

I stated my belief, not claiming it as a fact. I believe your opinion is

Cougarpolis

12/6/16 4:19am

Cool. You keep your opinions on the matter and I'll stick with the scriptures.

Graig Swame

12/6/16 7:32am

Cool. I'm part of a living religion, but I'm going to stop this miscategorized

Cougarpolis

12/6/16 1:05pm

Who cares if they drink? You do you, and let others be the best them. Not our

notoriousnicholas

12/6/16 8:15am

It pains me how ignorant LDS people are about the history of the Word of Wisdom.

Bgash

12/6/16 12:48am

While I agree it wasn't a commandment initially, it's definitely a commandment

Ulysses14

12/6/16 7:09am

True but it is painfully selective in punishment. Someone can gorge themselves

RugbyBYU

12/6/16 7:18am

Re: Time for another reinterpretation?

cajuncoug

12/6/16 8:57am

Alcohol is super fun. I wish it were allowed. We are missing out people!

Alsippi89

12/6/16 8:29pm

"... not by commandment or constraint."

Graig Swame

12/6/16 7:18am

That doesn't contradict what I said. And for the record, I'd rather someone help

Ulysses14

12/6/16 8:00am

b

deljdc

12/6/16 11:35am

I agree it has evolved, but not on your inference as to why it has

Ulysses14

12/6/16 12:09pm

This post doesn't feel like you're opening your arms to anyone, except maybe

chilango

12/6/16 7:44am

Then you aren't comprehending it very well.

YSMACK

12/6/16 2:33pm

Or you aren't expressing what you think you're expressing.

chilango

12/6/16 7:56pm

Good thing many early members of the church aren't here to shame your school.

Graig Swame

12/5/16 7:09pm

This has to be a troll.

RdF3

12/5/16 7:14pm

Why?

ray ray

12/5/16 7:16pm

Why would you care? Should someone who drinks beer not go to church either?

RdF3

12/5/16 7:21pm

Clearly they should hide and drink it in the dark shadows where no one can see,

Polecat

12/5/16 7:28pm

That's a pretty big stretch from what I said

ray ray

12/5/16 9:01pm

You're right. U only want them to hide in the dark if they're wearing byu gea

District

12/5/16 10:26pm

Again, a huge stretch. I never said anything of the sort.

ray ray

12/5/16 10:41pm

I thought Ysmack said it well

ray ray

12/5/16 8:33pm

The only reason I would care is that there are plenty of people who would see

DoidoCougar

12/5/16 8:41pm

You're right that it's the mentality that screwed them up. I hate hearing this

Graig Swame

12/5/16 10:24pm

Sorry, Greg...it is a commandment

FMOCIE

12/6/16 4:11am

Wrong, sorry. When the church decides to go JW and edit D&C 89, I'll agree,

Graig Swame

12/6/16 7:30am

Not trying to be contentious, but many commandments don't keep you out of temple

FMOCIE

12/6/16 7:48am

I think he's saying it's a policy rather than a commandment. IOW, there is

chilango

12/6/16 7:56am

It is.

Graig Swame

12/6/16 7:58am

I agree there is a big difference between policy and commandment but

FMOCIE

12/6/16 8:01am

Glad to be wrong...lol

FMOCIE

12/6/16 8:01am

RE: I agree there is a big difference between policy and commandment but

Graig Swame

12/6/16 8:22am

I don't see a contradiction. The WoW has evolved from a non-commandment

Ulysses14

12/6/16 8:37am

I didn't say it wasn't important. I'm just saying it's what it is, a principle

Graig Swame

12/6/16 8:51am

Anything in the temple interview is a commandment that qualifies you

WHO DEY

12/6/16 9:57am

commandments change

j20

12/6/16 10:17am

If you believe in the church, then you would believe in the commandments they...

coltonbyu

12/6/16 10:19am

My point is if current prophets overturn old scripture, then what is the point

Graig Swame

12/6/16 3:01pm

you didnt really answer my question.

coltonbyu

12/6/16 3:18pm

Because the main purpose of a prophet is to testify of Jesus Christ.

WHO DEY

12/7/16 12:45am

The black or white thing in our church is exhausting, not everything has to be dealt with in absolutes.

Cabadapeste

12/6/16 8:42pm

I drink 2-3 times a year socially... don't feel 1 bit bad. Bishop not happy tho!

Alsippi89

12/6/16 8:31pm

Clearly you stood no chance here. I know what you are trying to say and so do

Cougarpolis

12/5/16 9:37pm

This victim mentality is a bummer. Accusing others of being a mob, also a bummer

ekiben

12/5/16 11:50pm

Yep. PC mindset prevails everywhere.

Cochise Cat

12/6/16 12:30am

Haha i think you are confused and reversed this to fit your view.

RugbyBYU

12/6/16 6:21am

Strike 1, 2, and 3. All in one post. Every conclusion you jumped to was wrong.

Cochise Cat

12/6/16 9:05am

Your post doesn't make any sense just like the other

RugbyBYU

12/6/16 9:31am

I understood his post perfectly. And he's right. I'm not sure what you're not

Cougarpolis

12/6/16 1:11pm

Not a single person has made this claim here or anything like it. Certainly not

Cougarpolis

12/6/16 1:13pm

Sounds like Utah County Mormonism to me.

Tsisquan

12/5/16 7:36pm

Umm, I think your response was much more judgemental than mine. I'm a lot of

ray ray

12/5/16 8:55pm

Your 3.5 years in Utah County

Tsisquan

12/6/16 3:29pm

Hhmm, sounds like a lot of intolerance. What "prejudices" did I express?

ray ray

12/6/16 4:50pm

I'm not from Utah County and find this post offensive. To all my Utah County

Cougarpolis

12/5/16 9:42pm

Oh jeez....

goldy

12/5/16 11:09pm

You'd be surprised how many people approach me when I'm drinking with my Y gear

1manwolfpack

12/5/16 9:12pm

Curious

Mangas

12/6/16 11:54am

RE: You'd be surprised how many people approach me when I'm drinking with my Y

1manwolfpack

12/6/16 3:05pm

So pretty much the same questions I get asked all the time in social drinking

ray ray

12/6/16 4:45pm

Yup! But you will find a bunch of people on CB who consider that a sin as well

1manwolfpack

12/6/16 4:59pm

RE: Yup! But you will find a bunch of people on CB who consider that a sin as

Mangas

12/8/16 10:10am

This is stupid

District

12/5/16 10:23pm

Yes and overweight people should not wear BYU gear, nor should folks who eat

RugbyBYU

12/5/16 10:29pm

YOU'RE THE WORST!!! LOOK HOW NON-JUDGMENTAL I AM!!!!

goldy

12/5/16 11:16pm

This mindset is the single worst by-product of LDS culture IMO

Vegas Katbacker

12/6/16 12:12am

This whole subthread should be recategorized or deleted. I hope the mods see it.

chilango

12/6/16 7:49am

I felt like this deserved a meme...

audioenvy

12/6/16 3:09pm

Yes. Read some of the posts below yours.

chilango

12/6/16 7:51am

These are my favorite BYU fans.

12/5/16 5:46pm

I thoroughly enjoy the apparent pride you guys show for BYU fans

Utesplease

12/5/16 6:14pm

They probably weren't drinking from sacrament cups...

Fetchin Fetcher

12/5/16 6:17pm

when you guys call us drunks it has very, very little to do with that

Utesplease

12/5/16 6:41pm

Big difference between having a beer and being a drunk

Fetchin Fetcher

12/5/16 7:14pm

Proof that everything is judgmental and offensive until you direct it at a Ute.

Cougarpolis

12/5/16 9:44pm

at tailgates, you tend to see far more of the latter

Utesplease

12/6/16 12:02am

I think it's hilarious when people here celebrate BYU fans who drink and smoke. Just let them do their thing and treat

Cabadapeste

12/5/16 6:22pm

I mean, I get it

Utesplease

12/5/16 6:43pm

You apparently have never been stereotyped then

12/5/16 6:56pm

I'm a half black Brazilian who grew up most of life in Utah. Try again.

Cabadapeste

12/5/16 7:00pm

Then you should get it to some degree.

12/5/16 7:18pm

As if white male Mormons don't get stereotyped....

Cougarpolis

12/5/16 9:46pm

So true. I can see the explosions going off in people's heads at times…

cajuncoug

12/6/16 10:22am

Exactly. That's really why I like these fans - they help disprove the stereotype

12/6/16 12:35pm

Some of the strongest believers in the stereotypes are of course active Mormons

chilango

12/6/16 12:45pm

Yup

holipuluki

12/5/16 7:12pm

I'm sure lots of beer drinking BYU fans do so out of sacrament trays and pour

cougarnerd

12/5/16 6:24pm

If they drink and are belligerent, it doesn't matter which school they support.

bob falfa

12/5/16 6:26pm

It's not the U fans who drink, it's the U fans who

12/5/16 6:54pm

Oh, if drinking were the problem. How easy that would be.

Cougarfan777

12/5/16 6:56pm

CB has many differing opinions. Those who don't care if BYU fans drink

Ulysses14

12/6/16 8:12am

I know. I hate the ones that don't drink

Bob Vance

12/5/16 10:06pm

A buddy of mine left the Church, now drinks beer and goes to strip clubs, yet is

Game Changer

12/5/16 6:11pm

We all #LightTheWorld in our own special way.

AndyDwyer

12/5/16 6:13pm

Literally as well as figuratively, eh?

icecougar

12/5/16 7:07pm

RE: A buddy of mine left the Church, now drinks beer and goes to strip clubs,

cougarpassion

12/5/16 8:20pm

My brother does this too.

chilango

12/6/16 6:34am

Now that is funny. Love it though.

indojoe

12/6/16 12:29pm

Best part of being a beer drinking Y fan. No lines for us! Lots of designated

U2wearblue

12/5/16 7:10pm

I was surprised how cool the Ute fans were at the Vegas Bowl in line...

1manwolfpack

12/6/16 3:06pm

I drink a crap ton of coffee, it that makes you happy too 😎

Polecat

12/5/16 7:27pm

Especially if you drink it at games!

hamaca

12/5/16 7:30pm

I did drink coffee at a restaurant in Vegas before last year's bowl game. That

Polecat

12/5/16 7:46pm

It's a rite of passage into manhood

Alsippi89

12/5/16 8:30pm

This is a weird thing to celebrate. I'm as inclusive as the next guy, but I

Cougarpolis

12/5/16 9:26pm

I mean, you did just go out of your way to mention that you're at least as

Graig Swame

12/5/16 10:29pm

Well, there's that.

Cougarpolis

12/6/16 4:26am

It's all about breaking and educating about stereotypes

Pretorian

12/6/16 5:19am

Even though I am not LDS, I do not wear a BYU shirt anywhere that it would shine

pappabear246

12/5/16 9:58pm

For BYU, which has not been a bastion of understanding and inclusiveness, it is

Archaea

12/6/16 12:33am

I agree, it is just my mindset not to. I just wear my gamecock shirt in those

pappabear246

12/12/16 6:50pm

Just be a fan. It matters not what you drink.

Archaea

12/12/16 7:42pm

I agree. I explain to people that being a BYU fan is not just for

pappabear246

12/12/16 8:36pm

The fact we have to point out every beer drinking fan is lame

truecoug1

12/6/16 7:52am

I cant believe how long this thread

BYUvermont

12/6/16 8:38am

That's what... she.... said. Dang it, I'm sorry, I tried not to

Graig Swame

12/6/16 9:49am

You're doing it wrong, but I'm guessing you end up in the clink anyway.

Cougarpolis

12/6/16 1:36pm

He'll get one day for innuendo and another for bad execution on that joke

SJS

12/6/16 1:47pm

Haha!

Ktar

12/6/16 7:44pm

🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻

Mathew

12/6/16 12:25pm

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