I think he's saying it's a policy rather than a commandment. IOW, there is

Dec 6, 2016
7:56:49am

chilango All-American

currently a policy that keeps those who smoke or drink from getting a temple recommend. They're not kept out for not following commandments like loving your neighbor or not lying, but for violating a policy. A similar argument has been put forth to explain why people of African descent were not issued temple recommends or ordained to the priesthood for so long -- it was a policy, not a commandment.

At least I think this is the case he is making.

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To the two beer-drinking BYU fans in the front row of Staples Center on Saturday

BringBackRoyalBlue

12/5/16 5:32pm

Hey thanks!

LeftOfNormal

12/5/16 5:40pm

Was that really you?

1manwolfpack

12/5/16 9:14pm

Where do you live if it wasn't him?

Cougarpolis

12/5/16 9:27pm

Nice! Now for the people who it pains their hearts and makes them angry to see.

Polecat

12/5/16 5:42pm

Is there anyone who honestly thinks that?

RdF3

12/5/16 5:51pm

Probably the same people who think ALUFs are apostate.

OPINIONS

12/5/16 5:53pm

Beer drinkers welcome...Alufs are apostate though.

Cougarfan777

12/5/16 6:53pm

LDS church members that think that? Umm...yes. Yes there are.

Polecat

12/5/16 6:00pm

It's not my favorite to see. I agree with a big tent and hope and strive to be

ray ray

12/5/16 6:33pm

Sometimes I feel like the smiley icon,

YSMACK

12/5/16 6:42pm

Aaaaaand not drinking beer is not one of God's commands. But that's neither

Graig Swame

12/5/16 7:10pm

You may not believe it is, but I and many on this board believe it is. I'll

Cougarpolis

12/5/16 9:31pm

So only your interpretation is to be stated as fact? I was responding to the

Graig Swame

12/5/16 10:18pm

I stated my belief, not claiming it as a fact. I believe your opinion is

Cougarpolis

12/6/16 4:19am

Cool. You keep your opinions on the matter and I'll stick with the scriptures.

Graig Swame

12/6/16 7:32am

Cool. I'm part of a living religion, but I'm going to stop this miscategorized

Cougarpolis

12/6/16 1:05pm

Who cares if they drink? You do you, and let others be the best them. Not our

notoriousnicholas

12/6/16 8:15am

It pains me how ignorant LDS people are about the history of the Word of Wisdom.

Bgash

12/6/16 12:48am

While I agree it wasn't a commandment initially, it's definitely a commandment

Ulysses14

12/6/16 7:09am

True but it is painfully selective in punishment. Someone can gorge themselves

RugbyBYU

12/6/16 7:18am

Re: Time for another reinterpretation?

cajuncoug

12/6/16 8:57am

Alcohol is super fun. I wish it were allowed. We are missing out people!

Alsippi89

12/6/16 8:29pm

"... not by commandment or constraint."

Graig Swame

12/6/16 7:18am

That doesn't contradict what I said. And for the record, I'd rather someone help

Ulysses14

12/6/16 8:00am

deljdc

12/6/16 11:35am

I agree it has evolved, but not on your inference as to why it has

Ulysses14

12/6/16 12:09pm

This post doesn't feel like you're opening your arms to anyone, except maybe

chilango

12/6/16 7:44am

Then you aren't comprehending it very well.

YSMACK

12/6/16 2:33pm

Or you aren't expressing what you think you're expressing.

chilango

12/6/16 7:56pm

Good thing many early members of the church aren't here to shame your school.

Graig Swame

12/5/16 7:09pm

This has to be a troll.

RdF3

12/5/16 7:14pm

Why?

ray ray

12/5/16 7:16pm

Why would you care? Should someone who drinks beer not go to church either?

RdF3

12/5/16 7:21pm

Clearly they should hide and drink it in the dark shadows where no one can see,

Polecat

12/5/16 7:28pm

That's a pretty big stretch from what I said

ray ray

12/5/16 9:01pm

You're right. U only want them to hide in the dark if they're wearing byu gea

District

12/5/16 10:26pm

Again, a huge stretch. I never said anything of the sort.

ray ray

12/5/16 10:41pm

I thought Ysmack said it well

ray ray

12/5/16 8:33pm

The only reason I would care is that there are plenty of people who would see

DoidoCougar

12/5/16 8:41pm

You're right that it's the mentality that screwed them up. I hate hearing this

Graig Swame

12/5/16 10:24pm

Sorry, Greg...it is a commandment

FMOCIE

12/6/16 4:11am

Wrong, sorry. When the church decides to go JW and edit D&C 89, I'll agree,

Graig Swame

12/6/16 7:30am

Not trying to be contentious, but many commandments don't keep you out of temple

FMOCIE

12/6/16 7:48am

I think he's saying it's a policy rather than a commandment. IOW, there is

chilango

12/6/16 7:56am

It is.

Graig Swame

12/6/16 7:58am

I agree there is a big difference between policy and commandment but

FMOCIE

12/6/16 8:01am

Glad to be wrong...lol

FMOCIE

12/6/16 8:01am

RE: I agree there is a big difference between policy and commandment but

Graig Swame

12/6/16 8:22am

I don't see a contradiction. The WoW has evolved from a non-commandment

Ulysses14

12/6/16 8:37am

I didn't say it wasn't important. I'm just saying it's what it is, a principle

Graig Swame

12/6/16 8:51am

Anything in the temple interview is a commandment that qualifies you

WHO DEY

12/6/16 9:57am

commandments change

j20

12/6/16 10:17am

If you believe in the church, then you would believe in the commandments they...

coltonbyu

12/6/16 10:19am

My point is if current prophets overturn old scripture, then what is the point

Graig Swame

12/6/16 3:01pm

you didnt really answer my question.

coltonbyu

12/6/16 3:18pm

Because the main purpose of a prophet is to testify of Jesus Christ.

WHO DEY

12/7/16 12:45am

The black or white thing in our church is exhausting, not everything has to be dealt with in absolutes.

Cabadapeste

12/6/16 8:42pm

I drink 2-3 times a year socially... don't feel 1 bit bad. Bishop not happy tho!

Alsippi89

12/6/16 8:31pm

Clearly you stood no chance here. I know what you are trying to say and so do

Cougarpolis

12/5/16 9:37pm

This victim mentality is a bummer. Accusing others of being a mob, also a bummer

ekiben

12/5/16 11:50pm

Yep. PC mindset prevails everywhere.

Cochise Cat

12/6/16 12:30am

Haha i think you are confused and reversed this to fit your view.

RugbyBYU

12/6/16 6:21am

Strike 1, 2, and 3. All in one post. Every conclusion you jumped to was wrong.

Cochise Cat

12/6/16 9:05am

Your post doesn't make any sense just like the other

RugbyBYU

12/6/16 9:31am

I understood his post perfectly. And he's right. I'm not sure what you're not

Cougarpolis

12/6/16 1:11pm

Not a single person has made this claim here or anything like it. Certainly not

Cougarpolis

12/6/16 1:13pm

Sounds like Utah County Mormonism to me.

Tsisquan

12/5/16 7:36pm

Umm, I think your response was much more judgemental than mine. I'm a lot of

ray ray

12/5/16 8:55pm

Your 3.5 years in Utah County

Tsisquan

12/6/16 3:29pm

Hhmm, sounds like a lot of intolerance. What "prejudices" did I express?

ray ray

12/6/16 4:50pm

I'm not from Utah County and find this post offensive. To all my Utah County

Cougarpolis

12/5/16 9:42pm

Oh jeez....

goldy

12/5/16 11:09pm

You'd be surprised how many people approach me when I'm drinking with my Y gear

1manwolfpack

12/5/16 9:12pm

Curious

Mangas

12/6/16 11:54am

RE: You'd be surprised how many people approach me when I'm drinking with my Y

1manwolfpack

12/6/16 3:05pm

So pretty much the same questions I get asked all the time in social drinking

ray ray

12/6/16 4:45pm

Yup! But you will find a bunch of people on CB who consider that a sin as well

1manwolfpack

12/6/16 4:59pm

RE: Yup! But you will find a bunch of people on CB who consider that a sin as

Mangas

12/8/16 10:10am

This is stupid

District

12/5/16 10:23pm

Yes and overweight people should not wear BYU gear, nor should folks who eat

RugbyBYU

12/5/16 10:29pm

YOU'RE THE WORST!!! LOOK HOW NON-JUDGMENTAL I AM!!!!

goldy

12/5/16 11:16pm

This mindset is the single worst by-product of LDS culture IMO

Vegas Katbacker

12/6/16 12:12am

This whole subthread should be recategorized or deleted. I hope the mods see it.

chilango

12/6/16 7:49am

I felt like this deserved a meme...

audioenvy

12/6/16 3:09pm

Yes. Read some of the posts below yours.

chilango

12/6/16 7:51am

These are my favorite BYU fans.

Harrison0Yfan

12/5/16 5:46pm

I thoroughly enjoy the apparent pride you guys show for BYU fans

Utesplease

12/5/16 6:14pm

They probably weren't drinking from sacrament cups...

Fetchin Fetcher

12/5/16 6:17pm

when you guys call us drunks it has very, very little to do with that

Utesplease

12/5/16 6:41pm

Big difference between having a beer and being a drunk

Fetchin Fetcher

12/5/16 7:14pm

Proof that everything is judgmental and offensive until you direct it at a Ute.

Cougarpolis

12/5/16 9:44pm

at tailgates, you tend to see far more of the latter

Utesplease

12/6/16 12:02am

I think it's hilarious when people here celebrate BYU fans who drink and smoke. Just let them do their thing and treat

Cabadapeste

12/5/16 6:22pm

I mean, I get it

Utesplease

12/5/16 6:43pm

You apparently have never been stereotyped then

Harrison0Yfan

12/5/16 6:56pm

I'm a half black Brazilian who grew up most of life in Utah. Try again.

Cabadapeste

12/5/16 7:00pm

Then you should get it to some degree.

Harrison0Yfan

12/5/16 7:18pm

As if white male Mormons don't get stereotyped....

Cougarpolis

12/5/16 9:46pm

So true. I can see the explosions going off in people's heads at times…

cajuncoug

12/6/16 10:22am

Exactly. That's really why I like these fans - they help disprove the stereotype

Harrison0Yfan

12/6/16 12:35pm

Some of the strongest believers in the stereotypes are of course active Mormons

chilango

12/6/16 12:45pm

Yup

holipuluki

12/5/16 7:12pm

I'm sure lots of beer drinking BYU fans do so out of sacrament trays and pour

cougarnerd

12/5/16 6:24pm

If they drink and are belligerent, it doesn't matter which school they support.

bob falfa

12/5/16 6:26pm

It's not the U fans who drink, it's the U fans who

Harrison0Yfan

12/5/16 6:54pm

Oh, if drinking were the problem. How easy that would be.

Cougarfan777

12/5/16 6:56pm

CB has many differing opinions. Those who don't care if BYU fans drink

Ulysses14

12/6/16 8:12am

I know. I hate the ones that don't drink

Bob Vance

12/5/16 10:06pm

A buddy of mine left the Church, now drinks beer and goes to strip clubs, yet is

Game Changer

12/5/16 6:11pm

We all #LightTheWorld in our own special way.

AndyDwyer

12/5/16 6:13pm

Literally as well as figuratively, eh?

icecougar

12/5/16 7:07pm

RE: A buddy of mine left the Church, now drinks beer and goes to strip clubs,

cougarpassion

12/5/16 8:20pm

My brother does this too.

chilango

12/6/16 6:34am

Now that is funny. Love it though.

indojoe

12/6/16 12:29pm

Best part of being a beer drinking Y fan. No lines for us! Lots of designated

U2wearblue

12/5/16 7:10pm

I was surprised how cool the Ute fans were at the Vegas Bowl in line...

1manwolfpack

12/6/16 3:06pm

I drink a crap ton of coffee, it that makes you happy too 😎

Polecat

12/5/16 7:27pm

Especially if you drink it at games!

hamaca

12/5/16 7:30pm

I did drink coffee at a restaurant in Vegas before last year's bowl game. That

Polecat

12/5/16 7:46pm

It's a rite of passage into manhood

Alsippi89

12/5/16 8:30pm

This is a weird thing to celebrate. I'm as inclusive as the next guy, but I

Cougarpolis

12/5/16 9:26pm

I mean, you did just go out of your way to mention that you're at least as

Graig Swame

12/5/16 10:29pm

Well, there's that.

Cougarpolis

12/6/16 4:26am

It's all about breaking and educating about stereotypes

Pretorian

12/6/16 5:19am

Even though I am not LDS, I do not wear a BYU shirt anywhere that it would shine

pappabear246

12/5/16 9:58pm

For BYU, which has not been a bastion of understanding and inclusiveness, it is

Archaea

12/6/16 12:33am

I agree, it is just my mindset not to. I just wear my gamecock shirt in those

pappabear246

12/12/16 6:50pm

Just be a fan. It matters not what you drink.

Archaea

12/12/16 7:42pm

I agree. I explain to people that being a BYU fan is not just for

pappabear246

12/12/16 8:36pm

The fact we have to point out every beer drinking fan is lame

truecoug1

12/6/16 7:52am

I cant believe how long this thread

BYUvermont

12/6/16 8:38am

That's what... she.... said. Dang it, I'm sorry, I tried not to

Graig Swame

12/6/16 9:49am

You're doing it wrong, but I'm guessing you end up in the clink anyway.

Cougarpolis

12/6/16 1:36pm

He'll get one day for innuendo and another for bad execution on that joke

SJS

12/6/16 1:47pm

Haha!

Ktar

12/6/16 7:44pm

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