^^^^THIS^^^^ Just Shaw. Keep Aytes

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Dec 7, 2016
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Isaac Neilson. . .are we sure we're better off without him???

DetmerForever

12/6/16 11:47pm

I think we're pretty sure we're not.

LosAlcoug

12/6/16 11:51pm

Who would you remove from the current team?

Lance71

12/6/16 11:52pm

Mika. Easily Mika.

Cougarfan777

12/6/16 11:53pm

We miss Frank Bartley too...

dukestirr

12/7/16 7:34am

Neilson over Aytes

SierraCoug

12/7/16 12:00am

Shaw and Aytes.

ag4cougs

12/7/16 6:28am

^^^^THIS^^^^ Just Shaw. Keep Aytes

WCC Referee

12/7/16 9:14am

Davis. I've been VERY unimpressed with him this year. Neilson is better.

Circaman12

12/7/16 11:37am

Was he really runnoft or did he simply not like the style of play that the coach

ByuMba90

12/6/16 11:52pm

I think he was told that there was no longer a scholly for him

jaromp

12/6/16 11:59pm

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MarkWatney

12/7/16 12:06pm

Reportedly byu wanted him to be an outside player

BYU '80

12/9/16 12:13pm

The scholly was most likely down to him or Shaw. Hindsight..... but can see where it was a tough choice at the time.

soupie

12/7/16 12:03am

Neilson is a far better player

BYU '80

12/7/16 6:39am

Not at the time

soupie

12/7/16 7:00am

No one projected Shaw to be better, tho.

ag4cougs

12/7/16 8:37am

Now...yes. But that is from development. Nielson is now getting it, whereas

BYUHgrad

12/7/16 7:14am

Hindsight is 20/20. His freshman year he was a huge liability on D and he didn't

BigD Coug

12/7/16 12:03am

LOL you're trying to tell me Rose cut a player because he can't play defense???

DetmerForever

12/7/16 12:14am

No. I'm telling you that his total game wasn't good enough to take a

BigD Coug

12/7/16 12:20am

Rose made a poor choice when he went with Aytes over Neilson.

SierraCoug

12/7/16 12:31am

I don't think the choice was between Aytes & Nielsen, it was between

BigD Coug

12/7/16 12:39am

He sucked as a freshman, and no one shed a tear when he left.

OpusX

12/7/16 2:11am

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MarkWatney

12/7/16 12:07pm

Me too. Nielson barely got a chance.

socorny

12/7/16 1:36pm

He's had 2, 2 good games is all. Let him be gone

dizthewiz

12/7/16 1:05am

He's averaging 12.4 pts and 9.6 rebs a game...

icecougar

12/7/16 2:49am

The question is how come Isaac is developing better at UVU then he did at BYU?

CoolB

12/7/16 1:41am

Kaufusi improved in the season he worked with Pope at BYU...

icecougar

12/7/16 2:52am

No defense for this.

Ash

12/7/16 7:14am

Failure/rejection is often the best motivator...

KGKUGR

12/7/16 7:40am

Pope is the main reason- he is a great big man coach.

OGSuperfan

12/7/16 8:09am

What has Pope done to show that he is a "great" big man coach? What did he do for BYU's big

lightmann

12/7/16 9:34am

If I remember correctly, Hartsock improved a lot

CFMcK

12/7/16 9:38am

Hartsock improved as a result of ongoing playing time, he should have improved as much as he did anyway.

lightmann

12/7/16 4:03pm

Gave Mika his "While on Mission" plan to improve his game - seemed to work

OGSuperfan

12/7/16 9:55am

Kaufusi showed marked improvement in his game during his time with Rose...

icecougar

12/7/16 11:38am

He should have. When he came in as a freshman his bb skills were very rudimentary.

lightmann

12/7/16 4:08pm

I am not convinced of this. Very few of the big men on his watch developed

Thrill

12/7/16 10:58am

Because BYU was a guard heavy team during his tenure; but the big men he DID

OGSuperfan

12/7/16 11:03am

It doesn't matter if they were guard oriented or not, which guys besides those

Thrill

12/7/16 11:24am

I am not convinced of this...

icecougar

12/7/16 11:51am

I wouldn't say "few" generally. The big issue is at the 4/5 positions.

Bob Vance

12/7/16 8:38am

Probably because he gets a lot more playing time then he ever would at byu, in

Champ Kind

12/7/16 9:43am

I gave you a thumbs up; however Shaw has progressed nicely. We don't know

BYUSwoop

12/7/16 12:05pm

Shaw has progressed nicely...based on what? compared to what?

ag4cougs

12/7/16 12:11pm

He's contributed and can be trusted...this is based on Wrubell/Durrant/Cleveland

BYUSwoop

12/7/16 12:30pm

lots of guys can be trusted, doesn't make them D1 players.

ag4cougs

12/7/16 12:45pm

Semantics...Shaw is proving to be a D1 players

BYUSwoop

12/7/16 1:38pm

By necessity. Perhaps I watch too much basketball.

ag4cougs

12/7/16 2:20pm

This one hurts but in hindsight it's a swing and miss by Rose...

icecougar

12/7/16 2:59am

Yeah...we prob let a good one go there

zerome4sooners

12/7/16 4:48am

I never really understood why they sent him off. He would have been nice to have

jensen46

12/7/16 5:55am

Why would neilson stay to play Aytes 10 min a game when he starts at UVU?

gww687

12/7/16 6:34am

Actually, I think would have wanted to stay (it wasn't his choice as he was

BYUHgrad

12/7/16 6:39am

Don't underestimate the work you can get in when you don't have to worry about

mokelembembe

12/7/16 6:55am

One thing I've learned about CB is that we only need to see a kid play for a

Freddie Cougar

12/7/16 7:01am

I wouldn't say he was a bust, just that he was caught in a

BigD Coug

12/7/16 7:13am

It amazing what rejection can do for motivation. Im sure getting "cut" from BYU

BE-WHY-YOU

12/7/16 7:46am

This

RICoug

12/7/16 8:28am

Totally agree. He seemed complacent with his role.

BYUHgrad

12/7/16 9:38am

Bingo

BYUSwoop

12/7/16 11:56am

Don't know if this has been mentioned....

bluegato

12/7/16 8:15am

Interesting. So, not like it was just Rose cutting him.

Bob Vance

12/7/16 8:40am

Odd, because a stretch 4/5 is so highly prized in basketball these days

ldssdl

12/7/16 10:45am

This is why he left

PBJcougar

12/7/16 9:47am

Wow. Never saw that article before.

Iman23

12/7/16 10:52am

Nielson wanted to play outside and Rose wanted him to play inside - there were other differences as well

Cougarpride

12/7/16 10:40am

It seems at the time we definitely needed an inside presence.

jensen46

12/7/16 10:55am

FWIW, my three reasons why Isaac Neilson has improved so substantially:

roseyscenario

12/7/16 11:56am

I'm nothing but happy for Nielson. What happened to him in having his scholly

ledfoot

12/7/16 12:47pm

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