See above. Did Enron survive despite the collective corruption of a few?

Jan 2, 2017
8:05:09pm

BlackBart All-American

Sometimes institutions need to be brought to their knees, and at times, torn apart.

Penn State was given a pass that either businesses or less powerful schools wouldn't find themselves having so quickly recovered.

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BlackBart

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Time

Fight On! Lose forever, Penn State.

purplmonkeydishwashr

1/2/17 7:32pm

Yes, Penn State should've gotten death penalty

Gcouga

1/2/17 7:33pm

Who is/was left to punish?

IGlowInTheDark

1/2/17 7:44pm

Nobody. At this point, it's just blind hatred for no reason.

Game Changer

1/2/17 7:54pm

Easy. The brand, the culture and the money.

BlackBart

1/2/17 8:01pm

Why allow what Sandusky and others did to ruin the lives of other youths?

IGlowInTheDark

1/2/17 8:11pm

To whose future are you referring to?

BlackBart

1/2/17 8:16pm

End of story? Are you telling me you know for a fact that there are zero

Y05

1/3/17 7:04am

Might as well destroy every institution that has had some level of abuse/coverup

buckeyecougarguy

1/3/17 1:45pm

The program

Gcouga

1/2/17 8:02pm

Who is the 'program'?

IGlowInTheDark

1/2/17 8:12pm

The program didn't rape anyone. Sandusky did. And he'll die in prison.

Seaward

1/3/17 12:27am

Exactly. It's a purely emotional reaction, void of any logic. You can't actually

WhiteAndBlue

1/3/17 2:28am

The program created an environment where it was allowed to CONTINUE.

tony

1/3/17 5:55am

But the program is merely the people running it

Y05

1/3/17 6:58am

It's hilarious that you think the 'environment' is unique to Penn State.

Seaward

1/3/17 7:36am

I'm just an observer, but what do you think warrants the death penalty?

MHOP

1/3/17 9:34am

The NCAA has literally 0 jurisdiction in legal matters.

Dissenter

1/3/17 11:35pm

Point to where I said I thought the environment was unique to Penn State.

tony

1/3/17 10:34am

Again, a "program" can't do anything. Only the people running it can. They're

WhiteAndBlue

1/3/17 11:12am

It's this type of thinking that allowed decades of abuse by Catholic Church

Gcouga

1/3/17 2:51pm

Accountability on people who had absolutely nothing to do with it? Again, all

WhiteAndBlue

1/3/17 3:39pm

That accountability is taking place in the form of a life sentence for Sandusky

Seaward

1/3/17 6:54pm

But... Joe Pa is dead and Sandusky is in prison. Assistants were fired...

Dissenter

1/3/17 11:29pm

Institutions need safeguards to stop crap like this or be held accountable

Gcouga

1/4/17 8:40pm

So... If a CEO murders someone

Dissenter

1/5/17 8:22am

Yeah, institutions should be accountable for cover ups and crimes

Gcouga

1/5/17 9:01am

will it not send a message to future coaches and administrators concerning the

MHOP

1/3/17 3:24pm

Can you provide an example of a similar "overreaching reaction" that prevented

WhiteAndBlue

1/3/17 3:43pm

Sound like you are asking for something that can't be obtained

MHOP

1/3/17 4:37pm

So you made a claim, I asked for an example to back up your claim, and you say

WhiteAndBlue

1/3/17 5:01pm

Anytime any team is punished in the NCAA it affects

MHOP

1/3/17 5:24pm

First of all, I think you are seriously misinterpreting the tone of my comments.

WhiteAndBlue

1/3/17 6:14pm

I can see that, my bad for misrepresenting your tone

MHOP

1/3/17 6:28pm

No problem. Tone isn't easily conveyed or interpreted on a message board.

WhiteAndBlue

1/3/17 6:56pm

The program didn't rape anyone but they continue to honor Joe Pa during their

IceCreamButt

1/3/17 1:15pm

Penn State covered up child rape and allowed it to continue

Sumguy

1/4/17 1:56am

This was a stupid opinion then, and it still is now.

Seaward

1/2/17 11:57pm

Penn State's punishment is for the coverup, not the child rape

Sumguy

1/4/17 6:35pm

The football team wasn't involved in the cover-up, either. The football team

Game Changer

1/4/17 6:52pm

It's pretty stupid to say the NCAA can't sanction its members for rule breaking

Sumguy

1/4/17 7:28pm

What part of this is so hard to understand? The football team didn't violate

Game Changer

1/4/17 7:42pm

A football coach at the very least did little to stop a known child rapist from

IceCreamButt

1/4/17 8:03pm

But if you dismiss institutions, leadership won't have reason for safeguards

Gcouga

1/4/17 8:39pm

The players wouldn't be punished, just the university

Sumguy

1/4/17 9:27pm

How long you gonna hold it against players and coaches that had nothing to do

molodyets

1/2/17 7:42pm

I think it has more to do with the institution

Mathew

1/2/17 7:44pm

Agreed. Many folks on CB don't seem to understand that they cleaned house at

Game Changer

1/2/17 7:53pm

Would have been great if they did that from the start

blucoug18

1/2/17 7:58pm

Yes, we all understand and agree that what happened was disgraceful and horrific

Game Changer

1/2/17 8:01pm

RE: Yes, we all understand and agree that what happened was disgraceful and

IceCreamButt

1/3/17 1:14pm

Not surprising. It's the same low IQ, high emotion mob mentality that dominates

UNLVcougar

1/2/17 8:05pm

Not clean enough.

purplmonkeydishwashr

1/2/17 8:22pm

Good thoughts. I didn't think it should have been shuttered

BlackBart

1/2/17 8:27pm

My feeling is that child rape is outside the jurisdiction of the NCAA. Those who

Game Changer

1/2/17 8:39pm

It's their choice to go to Penn State. They deserve all the scorn they get.

purplmonkeydishwashr

1/2/17 8:45pm

Such horrible human beings, chasing their dream of playing college football,

Game Changer

1/2/17 8:48pm

They don't deserve any scorn. The business of penn state football deserved

BlackBart

1/2/17 8:59pm

At any point, are you and the OP going to mention Jerry Sandusky by name?

Seaward

1/3/17 2:00am

Jerry Sandusky did it. I feel no rage for this issue. Read the Freeh report.

BlackBart

1/3/17 10:55am

See above. Did Enron survive despite the collective corruption of a few?

BlackBart

1/2/17 8:05pm

Also the cowardly NCAA in 2014 reversing punishment

BlackBart

1/2/17 8:13pm

Be careful what you wish for

buffgato

1/2/17 10:02pm

and what did I wish for?

BlackBart

1/2/17 10:58pm

Sometimes institutions need to be brought to their knees, and at times, torn apa

buffgato

1/3/17 11:44am

Sorry this happened to your dad. I know many good people that worked at Enron.

BlackBart

1/3/17 12:10pm

I agree that Enron couldn't be saved. I'm just trying to illustrate the fallout

buffgato

1/3/17 3:32pm

Or maybe the most heinous of crimes, like child rape.

SandYFan

1/3/17 2:02pm

They chose to go there. The fault is with them.

purplmonkeydishwashr

1/2/17 8:10pm

By 'there' do you mean a good college in a really good community?

Seaward

1/3/17 12:30am

Wise up. Children were raped as a result of institutional inaction

BlackBart

1/3/17 12:55am

No. Children were raped as a result of Jerry Sandusky raping them.

Seaward

1/3/17 1:34am

Sandusky's culpability goes without saying. He's in jail.

BlackBart

1/3/17 11:04am

I agree with you about people's hypocritical hate for Penn State, but in this

StalwartBraveTrue

1/3/17 4:21pm

lol at PSU and Baylor being like Mixon or SMU.... your opinion is 100% bogus

Dissenter

1/3/17 11:32pm

Is that sand in your hair? Read the whole paragraph next time.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/5/17 7:13pm

#badtakes

Brass Monkey

1/3/17 1:47am

PSU is not alone in hiding problems to win at all costs, all the top programs do

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