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Apr 7, 2020
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Cougarclaw

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My aunt had a minor illness and was prescribed Chloramphenicol which killed her. Other children were also killed.

shimmy Haribo fan.

4/7/20 11:05am

Safe use is surely important. Some risks are set aside when time is of the essence, which many have felt was the case.

Grit for Brains

4/7/20 11:11am

As long as you aren't lying to people, it's fine. People just need to know

rcbyufan

4/7/20 11:13am

I agree.

Grit for Brains

4/7/20 11:15am

I'm definitely okay with rolling the dice at some point on an individual level. I believe rolling the dice without

shimmy

4/7/20 11:14am

Umm HCQ has been around since the 1940s

cougfanz

4/7/20 11:14am

Well that fact definitely proves me wrong because harsh side effects from improper medicine have only been around for a

shimmy

4/7/20 11:15am

RE: Well that fact definitely proves me wrong because harsh side effects from

Fatalplacebo

4/7/20 11:19am

That's actually not the most relevant point...

CoachSpeak

4/7/20 11:25am

Well stated but important to note that the disease state can amplify known

HansMoleman

4/7/20 11:31am

Are the negatives established for Covid-19?

shimmy

4/7/20 11:35am

By the time you do a randomized, placebo controlled study looking at

cougfanz

4/7/20 12:04pm

Wrong. There are already thousands of papers on covid pubmed indexed

HansMoleman

4/7/20 12:26pm

More than likely yes...

CoachSpeak

4/7/20 12:11pm

Which is why we are so aware of the risks. In setting of known risks

HansMoleman

4/7/20 11:29am

What would you do?

moabmax

4/7/20 4:51pm

safety is not the end all and be all of goals. it's a consideration

Cougarclaw

4/7/20 11:16am

Yes, we'll never have a completely safe medicine. Chemo kills people. I'm not saying it has to be 100% safe. I'm saying

shimmy

4/7/20 11:20am

It has been used for 70 years. Rheumatologist have been prescribing it to

travelcoug

4/7/20 11:22am

Wake me up when we've been using it for 100 years. I can't trust only 70 years

Northwest Cougar

4/7/20 11:25am

Then it should be rushed to the front of the line and approved for treatment post haste.

shimmy

4/7/20 11:26am

All doctors and nurses are already taking it.

charles

4/7/20 12:22pm

I don't think that's correct...

CoachSpeak

4/7/20 12:25pm

Where? I'm surprised. Have they asked to take it?

charles

4/7/20 12:42pm

Both work for IHC, my daughter at IMC in Murray and my wife at Orem Community

CoachSpeak

4/7/20 12:51pm

Are they seeing covid19 infected patients? Are they treating patients with hcq?

charles

4/7/20 1:12pm

My daughter is, she's an intensive care nurse...

CoachSpeak

4/7/20 1:19pm

well that is made up

shimmy

4/7/20 12:25pm

Do you have any anecdotal evidence they aren't?

charles

4/7/20 12:43pm

RE: Do you have any anecdotal evidence they aren't?

SierraCoug

4/7/20 12:45pm

My wife isn’t taking it at UV Hospital

BYU'01

4/7/20 2:54pm

It is safe and will not kill anyone

CougarCanuck76

4/7/20 11:24am

You are right. But who are you arguing with?

Coach's Dad

4/7/20 11:28am

I’m arguing with the people saying we should go all oprah on it.

shimmy

4/7/20 11:34am

Fair enough. Vetting needs to be done. But now may not be the best time

Coach's Dad

4/7/20 11:46am

That's horrible. Did the doctor improperly prescribe/dose it? Was there an allergic reaction?

SierraCoug

4/7/20 11:34am

No idea to be honest. It appears to be much more toxic than HCQ and was pulled way back some time ago.

shimmy

4/7/20 11:43am

There are not many people who thinks we need to be giving everyone doses of it right now.

JohnnyComeLately

4/7/20 11:46am

I agree with that as I stated earlier in the thread. And my comparison was not meant as an apples to apples

shimmy

4/7/20 12:30pm

I didn’t read every post in the thread before commenting so my apologies.

JohnnyComeLately

4/7/20 12:44pm

Oh, sorry for the misunderstanding. I definitely think we should try using drugs to dave people's lives. Didn't mean to

shimmy

4/7/20 1:00pm

Agreed.

JohnnyComeLately

4/7/20 1:06pm

Adding Trump into your statement tells everyone that this is solely partisan to

YbeatsU

4/7/20 12:51pm

Hope and pray the drug Mr. Trump is promoting is the miracle cure we're looking for.

shimmy

4/7/20 1:01pm

I don't think it will be a miracle cure. There are favorable and unfavorable anecdotal stories regarding the drug. There

SierraCoug

4/7/20 1:19pm

I think it is much more than a "guess". Not saying it is the silver bullet but

IceCreamButt

4/7/20 12:58pm

Sensitive to your family situation but you may be missing the argument

TFL

4/7/20 12:58pm

somewhat agreed

shimmy

4/7/20 1:02pm

Good take. I'd venture to say that you actually agree with the President

TFL

4/7/20 1:53pm

"Safety is paramount" = never do anything. Corona is not a minor illness.

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