One flag was during the play. That made it 1st and 10. Unsportsmanlike penalty

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Oct 18, 2020
1:44:47am

cougaman Intervention Needed

was called and enforced as a dead ball. Rule is dumb, but they start as first and 10 in that scenario, always have

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That targeting call though.

Future_Tacos

10/18/20 1:04am

I have not been more furious about a call in a long time. I couldn't even sit

archie

10/18/20 1:13am

One flag was during the play. That made it 1st and 10. Unsportsmanlike penalty

cougaman

10/18/20 1:44am

Some years ago it would have been 1st and 25

jre85

10/18/20 8:42am

So what happens if it is a dead ball (uc) penalty after a 2nd down play?

farsurfer

10/18/20 9:47am

The headbutt should have been an ejection

CarolinaCoug

10/18/20 1:40am

Yup just like punching someone. He should have been gone.

KingDave

10/18/20 7:38am

True, but I was more bothered by the late hit and likely targeting on Algier...

Doofenshmirtz

10/18/20 9:02am

What about the spit in the face?

Pretorian

10/18/20 9:27am

No one saw that in real time. It was dirty, but the game was over then, so meh

Doofenshmirtz

10/18/20 12:02pm

Yep. Ellis delivered the nail in the coffin. It's why he let that sweet spit

SinkingQuffa

10/18/20 12:05pm

No! Absolutely not! Had a BYU guy done that to... anyone that would be a

Pretorian

10/18/20 5:17pm

I'm not disagreeing. It should be reviewable & punishable.

SinkingQuffa

10/18/20 5:31pm

Hate to break it to you, but it was targeting. As far as first and 10, it’s a

cougaman

10/18/20 1:43am

It met the definition. I thought Micah was trying to tackle appropriately, but the angle for him was a challenge

Bonoman

10/18/20 7:10am

It's not appropriate when you drop your head like he did. I don't think he was

cougaman

10/18/20 9:31am

Little guys have to tackle bigger players somehow. Hitting someone in the stomach that way shouldn’t be targeting

BYU '80

10/18/20 10:57am

The rule isn’t that you can’t drop your head; it is that you can’t lead with the

jkccoug

10/18/20 11:07am

So it was about 1 inch from the exact center therefore not the "crown" OK...

cougaman

10/18/20 11:21am

It was the earhole

jkccoug

10/18/20 11:45am

You're the one nit-picking the call so don't get upset when someone responds in

Saxa

10/18/20 11:45am

I'm agreeing with what the officials called. I'd expect it to be called against

cougaman

10/18/20 11:52am

Could only be the crown of the helmet. Defenseless player applies to hits to

jkccoug

10/18/20 12:54pm

Just reviewed it again. It was a perfect form tackle. His head was in front of

jkccoug

10/18/20 6:08pm

It was really suspect. They act like there's a whole yard

SinkingQuffa

10/18/20 6:16pm

I thought that until I rewatched it. One angle looked bad.

HONOMO

10/18/20 8:47am

He lead with the side of his helmet not the crown. That’s not targeting

jkccoug

10/18/20 11:04am

The worst part was that they didn't eject the Houston player

Jericho

10/18/20 1:52am

The headbutt wasnt a hard hit. You guys are really reaching here.

Mozzymozzy

10/18/20 2:07am

Where in targeting rules does it say it needs to be s hard hit?

Genghis Spreads

10/18/20 2:13am

“Forcible contact”

cougaman

10/18/20 2:19am

Not the same. Even the Houston player thought he was getting tossed.

pilot17

10/18/20 2:46am

It wasn’t targeting. Plain and simple. It was unsportsmanlike conduct. You want

cougaman

10/18/20 2:54am

So many assumptions. You make me laugh.

pilot17

10/18/20 2:55am

I made one assumption. It may not be the case for you, but many want the

cougaman

10/18/20 2:59am

The headbutt was not targeting, but I was surprised he wasn't ejected

bythenumbers

10/18/20 7:37am

The refs would have to consider it fighting. I thought t the nature of it was

cougaman

10/18/20 9:32am

Should have been ejected for the likelihood of causing a fight. They can toss on egregious unsportsmanlike conduct

BYU '80

10/18/20 10:59am

I thought it warranted ejection honestly. I'm a bit agnostic on the targeting on

bythenumbers

10/18/20 12:03pm

And Corbin Kaufusi got ejected for exactly the same thing several years ago.

pilot17

10/18/20 2:47am

When was this play? Was it after the play? Was he ejected for targeting?

cougaman

10/18/20 2:55am

RE: And Corbin Kaufusi got ejected for exactly the same thing several years ago.

cambo

10/18/20 7:31am

I’d try and find it but I’m deployed and don’t have the time. Someone can look

pilot17

10/19/20 5:27am

I remember that play. That's is a late hit and hit to the helmet of a QB.

cougaman

10/19/20 9:04am

I honestly don't know the wording of the rule but I'm guessing a targeting call would come within the course of the play

Chemish

10/18/20 6:09am

He didn’t launch.

idcougarfan

10/18/20 7:30am

This is probably true.

Future_Tacos

10/18/20 8:52am

What exactly was their penalty? should have been 3rd & 20+ but it was 1st &10

Pretorian

10/18/20 9:30am

Penalizing a team and player for endangering oneself is stupid enough in a violent sport

BYU '80

10/18/20 10:58am

Honestly, we won. I don't care.

SinkingQuffa

10/18/20 2:27am

I shouldn’t have cared.

Future_Tacos

10/18/20 8:55am

Oh believe me — your post is something I fully identified with. I enjoyed

SinkingQuffa

10/18/20 9:27am

That’s a cool insight.

Future_Tacos

10/18/20 9:30am

Any penalty granting the offense 1st and 10 is enforced last

The Chelsea Dagger

10/18/20 2:51am

The part that bugs me about it was that he wasn't even flagged for it. Why review it for targeting when they didn't even

Chemish

10/18/20 6:27am

Yes-a targeting call can be initiated by “the booth”, even when no flag was

Greg Kite's 'stache

10/18/20 6:39am

I thought the game was lost at that point

eysikal

10/18/20 7:51am

Just a small correction, a PF is an automatic 1st down...so....

Frank Castiglione

10/18/20 9:26am

Frustrating to go from 3rd and 31 to 1st and 10, should have been 1st and 25.

Captain Stubing

10/18/20 10:00am

I agree it should, and the NCAA should make a change to that rule so it does.

cougaman

10/18/20 10:05am

Except any penalty that gives a team a first down is the last penalty imposed

Greg Kite's 'stache

10/18/20 10:07am

And it should be changed because in this case it’s not logical

BYU '80

10/18/20 11:00am

They should throw out all DB's in every game then. Look how many lead with their

SoValleyCOUG

10/18/20 11:43am

Has rulebook-defined targeting become like rulebook-defined holding that is said

Ripliancum

10/18/20 12:14pm

I think this is a great observation. The rulebook definition of the "crown" is

cwilke1

10/27/20 10:19pm

Exactly. If the threat is to the tackling player it is weird to penalize that players team

BYU '80

10/18/20 1:51pm

Preach brother. Great post. That crew was bad and seemed to not know what they

Gerald-DeGroot

10/18/20 11:50am

Just curious, does anyone have a clip of that play and then the headbutt?

Speedy

10/18/20 1:22pm

Here it is

AF Cougar

10/18/20 4:18pm

Thank you, AF Cougar!

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