That is a chicken/egg comparison. Did Allgeier dominate because we were ahead? Certainly he gets more carries when

May 23, 2022
4:15:41pm

kimdaddy35 Future Lions Scout

we are leading, correct?

I'm not taking anything away from Allgeier, but if Jaren wasn't so good in the Utah game we lose and he doesn't get 100 yards. It wasn't the other way around.

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Jaren Hall doesn't make 247 sports top 25 QBs for 2022.

Kajdin

5/23/22 1:06pm

Cam Rising coming in at 13. Lol

LiveCoug

5/23/22 1:08pm

According to 1280’s unrivaled guys, he is the undisputed best player in the state.

Viva Campeche

5/23/22 1:10pm

I heard that too. They are nuts. He's not even the best on his own team. Tavion

CopperLix

5/23/22 1:16pm

I would also put Kuithe ahead of him.

Viva Campeche

5/23/22 1:21pm

And Kincaid

Sir_Ten

5/23/22 2:00pm

Unrivaled is the weakest link on 1280 by a wide margin

BrutustheBrash

5/23/22 2:27pm

about as wide as one of the hosts

RealSimsShadY

5/23/22 3:12pm

Why the LOL. I think Cam and Jaren are both going to play great this year

Medute

5/23/22 1:11pm

I wrote "LOL" because when I saw cam Rising at 13, I laughed out loud.

LiveCoug

5/23/22 1:12pm

Great dialogue. I’ll try an easier question for you. What’s so funny about it?

Medute

5/23/22 1:15pm

Cam being 13 with Jaren nowhere in the top 25 is what's funny. Cam is a fine QB

LiveCoug

5/23/22 1:16pm

Jaren should absolutely be top 25. I think he could be a 1st round pick

Medute

5/23/22 1:34pm

Not if he keeps underthrowing wrs.

CarolinaCoug

5/23/22 2:33pm

*intentionally

mvtoro

5/23/22 4:50pm

AMAZING!

kalifi

5/23/22 6:40pm

He’s certainly top-13 at throwing 7-yard passes.

rivercitycoug

5/23/22 1:20pm

Cam is good, but overrated. Jaren is at least as good, if not better.

CopperLix

5/23/22 1:21pm

Was it the offense and rising who struggled vs TOSU ? Or Bernard playing cb?

CarolinaCoug

5/23/22 1:24pm

Not sure why you are asking me

LiveCoug

5/23/22 1:25pm

Rising is a mediocre QB that’s benefiting from a massively over ranked Utah. Will he be good? Yeah. Will Utah

letthewookieewin

5/23/22 1:16pm

Hmmm, your opinion or Mel Kiper/someone who evals QBs for a living?

Medute

5/23/22 1:18pm

bwahahaha ... using Kiper as your 'expert' opinion

ManicBlue

5/23/22 1:20pm

Ask John Walsh what he thinks of Kiper's expert opinion now

2FarGone

5/23/22 1:21pm

Mel Kiper seems to be wrong more than he is right. I haven't ever seen Rising

crack

5/23/22 1:21pm

I think some of us may have trouble comparing the two because of the talent gap.

Belboz

5/23/22 1:44pm

I’m fine with him being top 15. It’s an LOL because him and Hall are very comparable players as far as top whatever goes

Viva Campeche

5/23/22 1:20pm

Because anyone ranking him ahead of Hall has zero idea what they’re doing

LaVellIfIKnow

5/23/22 1:22pm

Jaren was the better QB last year and he will again be the better QB this year. This isn't hard.

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 1:32pm

Not sure I agree. Hall had a plethora of riches to target and a better O-line

Medute

5/23/22 1:38pm

A run heavy offense makes it a whole lot easier on the QB. Funny how well Wes Welker did with Tom Brady

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 1:44pm

And Rising was very good

Medute

5/23/22 1:50pm

Almost identical? Surely you jest. He averaged an additional yard per attempt.

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 2:30pm

1.2 YPA difference is the only stat that really has any separation

Medute

5/23/22 2:39pm

That is a big separation. Hall threw 24 less passes and yet had more yards. It is easy to say that was due

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 2:47pm

It’s silly to look at those numbers and not consider offensive style/personnel

Medute

5/23/22 3:02pm

And yet you don't seem to think that being a run first team and making easy throws is an advantage

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 3:05pm

Trust me, I’ve watched QBs squander in this supposedly easy throw offense

Medute

5/23/22 3:13pm

Not to mention SOS. Sagarin had Utah at 33 and BYU at 63.

Scratch

5/23/22 3:18pm

It is true, Jaren got to beat up on the likes of Utah, USC, Washington St, Arizona St, Arizona

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 3:34pm

Yep, so a lot of similar teams as Rising, only the Rising also played additional

Scratch

5/23/22 3:45pm

And by the way, I'm not saying this to criticize Hall. He's great and is

Scratch

5/23/22 3:47pm

If you were to put Hall's SOS it would be much closer than it is

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 4:01pm

Has nothing to do with Rising and everything to do with personnel

Medute

5/23/22 4:10pm

Agree to disagree

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 4:12pm

In fairness, both teams were run-first last year

krindorr

5/23/22 4:12pm

That is a chicken/egg comparison. Did Allgeier dominate because we were ahead? Certainly he gets more carries when

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 4:15pm

When Hall threw over 30 passes BYU was 2-2. And Rising's 30+ passes against

Scratch

5/23/22 4:18pm

BYU was 3-2 when Hall threw 30 passes or more which is the exact metric we used for Rising

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 4:22pm

If that's the metric you used then you were wrong, because Utah was 2-2 in games

Scratch

5/23/22 4:38pm

Rising couldn't depend on the rest of his roster like Hall could. Talent gap.

Belboz

5/23/22 4:41pm

And P.S., Rising came in the game with 5:00 left in the 3rd quarter with Utah

Scratch

5/23/22 4:44pm

I think you are forgetting QBR

slatecoug

5/23/22 8:34pm

I really liked the three 6’5” All American caliber TE’s as being the best

Bullrider

5/23/22 4:27pm

BYU has had a significant advantage in overall talent for the past 2 seasons.

Belboz

5/23/22 4:40pm

I expect him to be better than Jaren, I'll admit.

SinkingQuffa

5/23/22 1:14pm

Hall is more polished than Rising. Hall issues is health. Has to stay injury free.

Turnpike Lane

5/23/22 1:16pm

I wish I could agree. Rising looked more accurate & better at seeing the field.

SinkingQuffa

5/23/22 1:19pm

Hall PER was 10 pts better. Rising QBR 6 pts better.

Turnpike Lane

5/23/22 1:23pm

And Rising’s tight ends didn’t make him look better?

Viva Campeche

5/23/22 1:24pm

Honest question; have you looked at the numbers?

slatecoug

5/23/22 1:44pm

Jaren's WRs were a HUGE boon to him.

SinkingQuffa

5/23/22 2:30pm

Somewhat true

I'mBatman

5/23/22 3:36pm

They're honestly closer than most on this board would admit, but Hall is also clearly ahead

krindorr

5/23/22 1:38pm

Sometimes statistics don’t tell the whole story

Medute

5/23/22 1:45pm

is the #1 rated QB in the conference like being the biggest turd in yard full of them?

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 1:47pm

There's a reason I didn't criticize Rising

krindorr

5/23/22 1:49pm

What stats specifically are you referencing that give a clear advantage to Hall?

Medute

5/23/22 2:21pm

Mostly Y/A and AY/A

krindorr

5/23/22 2:28pm

But are those simply a reflection of who is targeted?

Medute

5/23/22 2:41pm

That's fair, but if Rising is making 'easier' throws, then he should complete a higher percentage

krindorr

5/23/22 2:48pm

You only prioritize longer throws if you have the guys to catch them

Medute

5/23/22 3:05pm

Like I said, I'm not criticizing Cam Rising at all

krindorr

5/23/22 3:37pm

So stupid

LaVellIfIKnow

5/23/22 1:20pm

at least his description "Pac-12 quarterback ranking: No. 2" is descriptive.

Pangare

5/23/22 2:27pm

Rising is good, but I'll take Jaren. Just shows what playing in a NY6 game can

Forzaitalia

5/23/22 2:58pm

Shocked by this. I figured he'd be top 5 for sure.

lbmango

5/23/22 4:53pm

Underdog status again. I love it.

Archaea

5/23/22 1:08pm

RE: Jaren Hall doesn't make 247 sports top 25 QBs for 2022.

Scratch

5/23/22 1:18pm

Good. Go prove them wrong Jaren!

PJMort

5/23/22 1:22pm

RE: Jaren Hall doesn't make 247 sports top 25 QBs for 2022.

2FarGone

5/23/22 1:22pm

I don't watch a bunch of college football outside of BYU. How many of the 25 on

crack

5/23/22 1:46pm

Looks like we'll only face one QB on that list next year. 5. KJ JEFFERSON, ARKANSAS

ManicBlue

5/23/22 1:47pm

He’s very overrated in these circles. He can be solid. We need solid.

dixieutahbyuzag

5/23/22 2:34pm

As a Ute fan - I'm surprised.

ImaFBfan

5/23/22 2:58pm

RE: Jaren Hall doesn't make 247 sports top 25 QBs for 2022.

Big-Q

5/23/22 3:12pm

DJU makes the list? Seriously? He's been borderline bad

Hotlanta

5/23/22 3:13pm

He also makes a bunch of top 5 lists for 2023 NFL draft QB prospects

krindorr

5/23/22 3:51pm

RE: Jaren Hall doesn't make 247 sports top 25 QBs for 2022.

imdocrob

5/23/22 4:06pm

Pretty easy to rank him above some of those guys.

Socrates Johnson

5/23/22 4:32pm

Good. High PRESEASON personal rankings is the worst distraction.

Happy As Larry

5/23/22 6:19pm

Terrible review - at least half of these QBs

DCCougFan

5/23/22 7:29pm

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