And yet you don't seem to think that being a run first team and making easy throws is an advantage

May 23, 2022
3:05:26pm

kimdaddy35 Future Lions Scout

to Rising. I mean shouldn't his play style and personnel then put him at least 5% higher in completion percentage? One would think so. That is why the PER takes all of that into account.

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Jaren Hall doesn't make 247 sports top 25 QBs for 2022.

Kajdin

5/23/22 1:06pm

Cam Rising coming in at 13. Lol

LiveCoug

5/23/22 1:08pm

According to 1280’s unrivaled guys, he is the undisputed best player in the state.

Viva Campeche

5/23/22 1:10pm

I heard that too. They are nuts. He's not even the best on his own team. Tavion

CopperLix

5/23/22 1:16pm

I would also put Kuithe ahead of him.

Viva Campeche

5/23/22 1:21pm

And Kincaid

Sir_Ten

5/23/22 2:00pm

Unrivaled is the weakest link on 1280 by a wide margin

BrutustheBrash

5/23/22 2:27pm

about as wide as one of the hosts

RealSimsShadY

5/23/22 3:12pm

Why the LOL. I think Cam and Jaren are both going to play great this year

Medute

5/23/22 1:11pm

I wrote "LOL" because when I saw cam Rising at 13, I laughed out loud.

LiveCoug

5/23/22 1:12pm

Great dialogue. I’ll try an easier question for you. What’s so funny about it?

Medute

5/23/22 1:15pm

Cam being 13 with Jaren nowhere in the top 25 is what's funny. Cam is a fine QB

LiveCoug

5/23/22 1:16pm

Jaren should absolutely be top 25. I think he could be a 1st round pick

Medute

5/23/22 1:34pm

Not if he keeps underthrowing wrs.

CarolinaCoug

5/23/22 2:33pm

*intentionally

mvtoro

5/23/22 4:50pm

AMAZING!

kalifi

5/23/22 6:40pm

He’s certainly top-13 at throwing 7-yard passes.

rivercitycoug

5/23/22 1:20pm

Cam is good, but overrated. Jaren is at least as good, if not better.

CopperLix

5/23/22 1:21pm

Was it the offense and rising who struggled vs TOSU ? Or Bernard playing cb?

CarolinaCoug

5/23/22 1:24pm

Not sure why you are asking me

LiveCoug

5/23/22 1:25pm

Rising is a mediocre QB that’s benefiting from a massively over ranked Utah. Will he be good? Yeah. Will Utah

letthewookieewin

5/23/22 1:16pm

Hmmm, your opinion or Mel Kiper/someone who evals QBs for a living?

Medute

5/23/22 1:18pm

bwahahaha ... using Kiper as your 'expert' opinion

ManicBlue

5/23/22 1:20pm

Ask John Walsh what he thinks of Kiper's expert opinion now

2FarGone

5/23/22 1:21pm

Mel Kiper seems to be wrong more than he is right. I haven't ever seen Rising

crack

5/23/22 1:21pm

I think some of us may have trouble comparing the two because of the talent gap.

Belboz

5/23/22 1:44pm

I’m fine with him being top 15. It’s an LOL because him and Hall are very comparable players as far as top whatever goes

Viva Campeche

5/23/22 1:20pm

Because anyone ranking him ahead of Hall has zero idea what they’re doing

LaVellIfIKnow

5/23/22 1:22pm

Jaren was the better QB last year and he will again be the better QB this year. This isn't hard.

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 1:32pm

Not sure I agree. Hall had a plethora of riches to target and a better O-line

Medute

5/23/22 1:38pm

A run heavy offense makes it a whole lot easier on the QB. Funny how well Wes Welker did with Tom Brady

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 1:44pm

And Rising was very good

Medute

5/23/22 1:50pm

Almost identical? Surely you jest. He averaged an additional yard per attempt.

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 2:30pm

1.2 YPA difference is the only stat that really has any separation

Medute

5/23/22 2:39pm

That is a big separation. Hall threw 24 less passes and yet had more yards. It is easy to say that was due

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 2:47pm

It’s silly to look at those numbers and not consider offensive style/personnel

Medute

5/23/22 3:02pm

And yet you don't seem to think that being a run first team and making easy throws is an advantage

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 3:05pm

Trust me, I’ve watched QBs squander in this supposedly easy throw offense

Medute

5/23/22 3:13pm

Not to mention SOS. Sagarin had Utah at 33 and BYU at 63.

Scratch

5/23/22 3:18pm

It is true, Jaren got to beat up on the likes of Utah, USC, Washington St, Arizona St, Arizona

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 3:34pm

Yep, so a lot of similar teams as Rising, only the Rising also played additional

Scratch

5/23/22 3:45pm

And by the way, I'm not saying this to criticize Hall. He's great and is

Scratch

5/23/22 3:47pm

If you were to put Hall's SOS it would be much closer than it is

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 4:01pm

Has nothing to do with Rising and everything to do with personnel

Medute

5/23/22 4:10pm

Agree to disagree

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 4:12pm

In fairness, both teams were run-first last year

krindorr

5/23/22 4:12pm

That is a chicken/egg comparison. Did Allgeier dominate because we were ahead? Certainly he gets more carries when

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 4:15pm

When Hall threw over 30 passes BYU was 2-2. And Rising's 30+ passes against

Scratch

5/23/22 4:18pm

BYU was 3-2 when Hall threw 30 passes or more which is the exact metric we used for Rising

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 4:22pm

If that's the metric you used then you were wrong, because Utah was 2-2 in games

Scratch

5/23/22 4:38pm

Rising couldn't depend on the rest of his roster like Hall could. Talent gap.

Belboz

5/23/22 4:41pm

And P.S., Rising came in the game with 5:00 left in the 3rd quarter with Utah

Scratch

5/23/22 4:44pm

I think you are forgetting QBR

slatecoug

5/23/22 8:34pm

I really liked the three 6’5” All American caliber TE’s as being the best

Bullrider

5/23/22 4:27pm

BYU has had a significant advantage in overall talent for the past 2 seasons.

Belboz

5/23/22 4:40pm

I expect him to be better than Jaren, I'll admit.

SinkingQuffa

5/23/22 1:14pm

Hall is more polished than Rising. Hall issues is health. Has to stay injury free.

Turnpike Lane

5/23/22 1:16pm

I wish I could agree. Rising looked more accurate & better at seeing the field.

SinkingQuffa

5/23/22 1:19pm

Hall PER was 10 pts better. Rising QBR 6 pts better.

Turnpike Lane

5/23/22 1:23pm

And Rising’s tight ends didn’t make him look better?

Viva Campeche

5/23/22 1:24pm

Honest question; have you looked at the numbers?

slatecoug

5/23/22 1:44pm

Jaren's WRs were a HUGE boon to him.

SinkingQuffa

5/23/22 2:30pm

Somewhat true

I'mBatman

5/23/22 3:36pm

They're honestly closer than most on this board would admit, but Hall is also clearly ahead

krindorr

5/23/22 1:38pm

Sometimes statistics don’t tell the whole story

Medute

5/23/22 1:45pm

is the #1 rated QB in the conference like being the biggest turd in yard full of them?

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 1:47pm

There's a reason I didn't criticize Rising

krindorr

5/23/22 1:49pm

What stats specifically are you referencing that give a clear advantage to Hall?

Medute

5/23/22 2:21pm

Mostly Y/A and AY/A

krindorr

5/23/22 2:28pm

But are those simply a reflection of who is targeted?

Medute

5/23/22 2:41pm

That's fair, but if Rising is making 'easier' throws, then he should complete a higher percentage

krindorr

5/23/22 2:48pm

You only prioritize longer throws if you have the guys to catch them

Medute

5/23/22 3:05pm

Like I said, I'm not criticizing Cam Rising at all

krindorr

5/23/22 3:37pm

So stupid

LaVellIfIKnow

5/23/22 1:20pm

at least his description "Pac-12 quarterback ranking: No. 2" is descriptive.

Pangare

5/23/22 2:27pm

Rising is good, but I'll take Jaren. Just shows what playing in a NY6 game can

Forzaitalia

5/23/22 2:58pm

Shocked by this. I figured he'd be top 5 for sure.

lbmango

5/23/22 4:53pm

Underdog status again. I love it.

Archaea

5/23/22 1:08pm

RE: Jaren Hall doesn't make 247 sports top 25 QBs for 2022.

Scratch

5/23/22 1:18pm

Good. Go prove them wrong Jaren!

PJMort

5/23/22 1:22pm

RE: Jaren Hall doesn't make 247 sports top 25 QBs for 2022.

2FarGone

5/23/22 1:22pm

I don't watch a bunch of college football outside of BYU. How many of the 25 on

crack

5/23/22 1:46pm

Looks like we'll only face one QB on that list next year. 5. KJ JEFFERSON, ARKANSAS

ManicBlue

5/23/22 1:47pm

He’s very overrated in these circles. He can be solid. We need solid.

dixieutahbyuzag

5/23/22 2:34pm

As a Ute fan - I'm surprised.

ImaFBfan

5/23/22 2:58pm

RE: Jaren Hall doesn't make 247 sports top 25 QBs for 2022.

Big-Q

5/23/22 3:12pm

DJU makes the list? Seriously? He's been borderline bad

Hotlanta

5/23/22 3:13pm

He also makes a bunch of top 5 lists for 2023 NFL draft QB prospects

krindorr

5/23/22 3:51pm

RE: Jaren Hall doesn't make 247 sports top 25 QBs for 2022.

imdocrob

5/23/22 4:06pm

Pretty easy to rank him above some of those guys.

Socrates Johnson

5/23/22 4:32pm

Good. High PRESEASON personal rankings is the worst distraction.

Happy As Larry

5/23/22 6:19pm

Terrible review - at least half of these QBs

DCCougFan

5/23/22 7:29pm

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