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Feb 8, 2023
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tmurphey44
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Probably not the best study
Because by 5+ years most of the underperformers have left the firms, so you’d expect parity. Years 1-4 is where you’re most likely to see performance variation, which would suggest that the school matters. Just my unsolicited two sense.
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Academic elite misperception
carmelcougar
2/8/23 5:04pm
my grades went from B to A as soon as I left an SEC school for BYTrue...
wislim
2/8/23 5:10pm
Only if it was Vandy
Turnpike Lane
2/8/23 5:27pm
Trying to figure out whether
Cougardinal
2/8/23 5:10pm
I figured he has a filter on his computer that won't let him type "Cal"
Tricky
2/8/23 5:29pm
Voice text
carmelcougar
2/8/23 8:33pm
I assumed this is what it REALLY was. My wife uses the speech to text function
Tricky
2/9/23 9:29am
Many studies have shown
Future_Tacos
2/8/23 5:15pm
I'd venture that math at Harvard is considerably different than at Utah Valley
Malacis
2/8/23 5:17pm
Math is math.
Future_Tacos
2/8/23 5:21pm
RE: Math is math.
Ducougar
2/8/23 5:28pm
Correct. But I'd imagine difficulty / set up of classes is much different.
Malacis
2/8/23 5:28pm
RE: Math is math.
runningryan
2/8/23 10:07pm
RE: Math is math.
SLIVER
2/8/23 10:19pm
No, the math formulas are different
akbarishiwatsu
2/8/23 11:13pm
When I was at my large law firm, the partners commissioned an internal study to determine if graduates from the top
slappy
2/8/23 5:24pm
Probably not the best study
tmurphey44
2/8/23 9:02pm
IIRC, we payed a lot of money to third party running the study, and they accounted for those factors in their findings.
slappy
2/8/23 10:50pm
That study makes a lot of sense
reddead
2/9/23 10:20am
I get your point, but the baseline math at MIT, Princeton, etc. is higher level
sandiegocgrfan
2/8/23 5:57pm
Total side note - During my junior year, a new thermodynamics professor joined BYU's staff from Arizona. After the
slappy
2/8/23 5:21pm
But I thought BYU is not a research school so the academics are bad…
Ducougar
2/8/23 5:29pm
In EE, 2000, we had a new professor that was from UW. Not a member but wanted to
panacablue
2/8/23 5:29pm
My first BYU Stats class was from a visiting professor from SDSU. A lot of his
LeGrandBleu
2/8/23 8:14pm
BYU uses cubic random number generators, not dice.
Les IsMore
2/8/23 10:04pm
Not in Stats 321 in 1983. And I don't recall him bringing in actual dice or
LeGrandBleu
2/9/23 8:22am
Same thing happened with me. We had a professor who came from a Michigan State
Pied Piper
2/9/23 2:12am
Certainly. When I attended a Med School generally considered to be difficult,
Malacis
2/8/23 5:30pm
I transferred and attended UCLA. BYU is FAR above the UC’s in so many ways
bluebrotha
2/8/23 5:31pm
Correct. In fact those are among the very reasons BYU is an elite top 60 School (Forbes #57) while Utah has improved...
LEDSFW
2/8/23 5:36pm
How does BYU rank in cost per student?
BYU-Laie
2/9/23 12:29am
Having attended BYU, U of U, and an Ivy League school, BYU was by far the most
BlooCoog
2/8/23 5:41pm
You got an undergraduate degree from all 3 places?
OKchief
2/8/23 6:16pm
My brother did undergrad at BYU, taught at Yale during his PhD and Stanford for his Post Doc, now teaches at BYU. Says
mvtoro
2/8/23 6:19pm
this almost frustrates me since i graduated from byu but don't think the added
ColonelMustard
2/8/23 6:31pm
One thing it does extremely well is prepare students for graduate study elsewhere. BYU graduates do much better on
mvtoro
2/8/23 7:05pm
I’m mostly playing devils advocate here. But my point is on that kind of track
OKchief
2/8/23 7:29pm
It’s really easy to tell if you’ve taught at both places, which he has. But if you’re teaching the class and remember
mvtoro
2/8/23 10:23pm
Comes down to how motivated and how focused your classmates are imo as
cougfanz
2/9/23 5:43am
My experience has been the opposite, albeit with different schools
krindorr
2/9/23 6:00am
Though I'll also add I took summer college math classes at Utah in HS and they were easier compared to BYU
krindorr
2/9/23 6:07am
Got my BA from BYU, did my whole freshman year at Utah. Harvard for
BlooCoog
2/8/23 8:30pm
Yeah that doesn’t tell us anything other than BYU is harder than Utah which is
OKchief
2/8/23 8:57pm
Yeah but it’s a good guess. Ivy League is overrated. The main difference there
BlooCoog
2/9/23 7:02am
I attended BYU and Columbia for undergrad. BYU was significantly harder.
cougfanz
2/9/23 5:32am
Its obvious this was just a convenient pretext to exclude BYU.
Brandoblueblood
2/8/23 5:59pm
You need to change to a healthier diet.
Les IsMore
2/8/23 10:20pm
utah grad programs are not elite
BYU Tar Heel
2/8/23 6:09pm
They conflate Research with Academics
runningryan
2/8/23 6:22pm
This is the point
carmelcougar
2/8/23 8:39pm
they have rankings for undergraduate programs right? we should tout ours more. i
ColonelMustard
2/8/23 6:30pm
We are a top tier undergrad school. That's why they had to reach for that excus
Brandoblueblood
2/8/23 6:40pm
By the most commonly used of those, we're #36/69 among P5s, so right at (or slightly below) median
krindorr
2/9/23 6:14am
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Pine
2/8/23 7:14pm
The dental school I graduated from in 1987 was top 3 at the time
Pine
2/8/23 7:38pm
I had the same experience. My BYU science classes were definitely harder.
rbr
2/8/23 7:56pm
Nebraska for me. Wish they would come home to the B12. It has been painful
Pine
2/8/23 8:05pm
Me too. Served my mission there.
Les IsMore
2/8/23 10:22pm
I love BYU, but I wouldn’t say it was overly rigorous.
SouthernCoug
2/9/23 4:48am
Depends on major
carmelcougar
2/9/23 5:06am
I graduated from the Y and went to upper middle MHA program on the east coast
Pretorian
2/9/23 6:00am
This is honestly something I love about BYU - the undergraduate focus
krindorr
2/9/23 6:10am
Exactly - teaching is a burden these professors pawn off on PhD candidates who lecture in huge auditoriums
runningryan
2/9/23 10:26am
A big reason Utah's graduate programs are strong is they're being fed thousands of BYU undergrads
Unibro
2/9/23 8:53am
valid point actually
zerome4sooners
2/9/23 8:57am
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