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Feb 8, 2023
8:39:03pm

carmelcougar Contributor

This is the point

Research dollars are a product of a well worn research industrial complex not great academic teaching.

Of study group in economics at byu 2 went up MIT, 1 to Chicago, 1 to the New York fed, and the last one a JD at BYU and then to an elite law firm. I was the dunce and free rider in the group!

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Academic elite misperception

carmelcougar

2/8/23 5:04pm

my grades went from B to A as soon as I left an SEC school for BYTrue...

wislim

2/8/23 5:10pm

Only if it was Vandy

2/8/23 5:27pm

Trying to figure out whether

Cougardinal

2/8/23 5:10pm

I figured he has a filter on his computer that won't let him type "Cal"

Tricky

2/8/23 5:29pm

Voice text

carmelcougar

2/8/23 8:33pm

I assumed this is what it REALLY was. My wife uses the speech to text function

Tricky

2/9/23 9:29am

Many studies have shown

Future_Tacos

2/8/23 5:15pm

I'd venture that math at Harvard is considerably different than at Utah Valley

Malacis

2/8/23 5:17pm

Math is math.

Future_Tacos

2/8/23 5:21pm

RE: Math is math.

Ducougar

2/8/23 5:28pm

Correct. But I'd imagine difficulty / set up of classes is much different.

Malacis

2/8/23 5:28pm

RE: Math is math.

runningryan

2/8/23 10:07pm

RE: Math is math.

SLIVER

2/8/23 10:19pm

No, the math formulas are different

2/8/23 11:13pm

When I was at my large law firm, the partners commissioned an internal study to determine if graduates from the top

slappy

2/8/23 5:24pm

Probably not the best study

tmurphey44

2/8/23 9:02pm

IIRC, we payed a lot of money to third party running the study, and they accounted for those factors in their findings.

slappy

2/8/23 10:50pm

That study makes a lot of sense

reddead

2/9/23 10:20am

I get your point, but the baseline math at MIT, Princeton, etc. is higher level

2/8/23 5:57pm

Total side note - During my junior year, a new thermodynamics professor joined BYU's staff from Arizona. After the

slappy

2/8/23 5:21pm

But I thought BYU is not a research school so the academics are bad…

Ducougar

2/8/23 5:29pm

In EE, 2000, we had a new professor that was from UW. Not a member but wanted to

panacablue

2/8/23 5:29pm

My first BYU Stats class was from a visiting professor from SDSU. A lot of his

LeGrandBleu

2/8/23 8:14pm

BYU uses cubic random number generators, not dice.

Les IsMore

2/8/23 10:04pm

Not in Stats 321 in 1983. And I don't recall him bringing in actual dice or

LeGrandBleu

2/9/23 8:22am

Same thing happened with me. We had a professor who came from a Michigan State

Pied Piper

2/9/23 2:12am

Certainly. When I attended a Med School generally considered to be difficult,

Malacis

2/8/23 5:30pm

I transferred and attended UCLA. BYU is FAR above the UC’s in so many ways

bluebrotha

2/8/23 5:31pm

Correct. In fact those are among the very reasons BYU is an elite top 60 School (Forbes #57) while Utah has improved...

LEDSFW

2/8/23 5:36pm

How does BYU rank in cost per student?

BYU-Laie

2/9/23 12:29am

Having attended BYU, U of U, and an Ivy League school, BYU was by far the most

BlooCoog

2/8/23 5:41pm

You got an undergraduate degree from all 3 places?

OKchief

2/8/23 6:16pm

My brother did undergrad at BYU, taught at Yale during his PhD and Stanford for his Post Doc, now teaches at BYU. Says

mvtoro

2/8/23 6:19pm

this almost frustrates me since i graduated from byu but don't think the added

2/8/23 6:31pm

One thing it does extremely well is prepare students for graduate study elsewhere. BYU graduates do much better on

mvtoro

2/8/23 7:05pm

I’m mostly playing devils advocate here. But my point is on that kind of track

OKchief

2/8/23 7:29pm

It’s really easy to tell if you’ve taught at both places, which he has. But if you’re teaching the class and remember

mvtoro

2/8/23 10:23pm

Comes down to how motivated and how focused your classmates are imo as

cougfanz

2/9/23 5:43am

My experience has been the opposite, albeit with different schools

krindorr

2/9/23 6:00am

Though I'll also add I took summer college math classes at Utah in HS and they were easier compared to BYU

krindorr

2/9/23 6:07am

Got my BA from BYU, did my whole freshman year at Utah. Harvard for

BlooCoog

2/8/23 8:30pm

Yeah that doesn’t tell us anything other than BYU is harder than Utah which is

OKchief

2/8/23 8:57pm

Yeah but it’s a good guess. Ivy League is overrated. The main difference there

BlooCoog

2/9/23 7:02am

I attended BYU and Columbia for undergrad. BYU was significantly harder.

cougfanz

2/9/23 5:32am

Its obvious this was just a convenient pretext to exclude BYU.

Brandoblueblood

2/8/23 5:59pm

You need to change to a healthier diet.

Les IsMore

2/8/23 10:20pm

utah grad programs are not elite

BYU Tar Heel

2/8/23 6:09pm

They conflate Research with Academics

runningryan

2/8/23 6:22pm

This is the point

carmelcougar

2/8/23 8:39pm

they have rankings for undergraduate programs right? we should tout ours more. i

2/8/23 6:30pm

We are a top tier undergrad school. That's why they had to reach for that excus

Brandoblueblood

2/8/23 6:40pm

By the most commonly used of those, we're #36/69 among P5s, so right at (or slightly below) median

krindorr

2/9/23 6:14am

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Pine

2/8/23 7:14pm

The dental school I graduated from in 1987 was top 3 at the time

Pine

2/8/23 7:38pm

I had the same experience. My BYU science classes were definitely harder.

rbr

2/8/23 7:56pm

Nebraska for me. Wish they would come home to the B12. It has been painful

Pine

2/8/23 8:05pm

Me too. Served my mission there.

Les IsMore

2/8/23 10:22pm

I love BYU, but I wouldn’t say it was overly rigorous.

2/9/23 4:48am

Depends on major

carmelcougar

2/9/23 5:06am

I graduated from the Y and went to upper middle MHA program on the east coast

Pretorian

2/9/23 6:00am

This is honestly something I love about BYU - the undergraduate focus

krindorr

2/9/23 6:10am

Exactly - teaching is a burden these professors pawn off on PhD candidates who lecture in huge auditoriums

runningryan

2/9/23 10:26am

A big reason Utah's graduate programs are strong is they're being fed thousands of BYU undergrads

Unibro

2/9/23 8:53am

valid point actually

2/9/23 8:57am

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