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Feb 8, 2023
6:22:47pm

runningryan Pretend Athletic Director

They conflate Research with Academics

They are not the same. There are many small liberal arts and other private schools (think schools in Claremont, CA) that are absolutely superb in undergraduate education. These schools aren’t powerhouse research institutions but are rigorous academic institutions.

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runningryan

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Academic elite misperception

carmelcougar

2/8/23 5:04pm

my grades went from B to A as soon as I left an SEC school for BYTrue...

wislim

2/8/23 5:10pm

Only if it was Vandy

2/8/23 5:27pm

Trying to figure out whether

Cougardinal

2/8/23 5:10pm

I figured he has a filter on his computer that won't let him type "Cal"

Tricky

2/8/23 5:29pm

Voice text

carmelcougar

2/8/23 8:33pm

I assumed this is what it REALLY was. My wife uses the speech to text function

Tricky

2/9/23 9:29am

Many studies have shown

Future_Tacos

2/8/23 5:15pm

I'd venture that math at Harvard is considerably different than at Utah Valley

Malacis

2/8/23 5:17pm

Math is math.

Future_Tacos

2/8/23 5:21pm

RE: Math is math.

Ducougar

2/8/23 5:28pm

Correct. But I'd imagine difficulty / set up of classes is much different.

Malacis

2/8/23 5:28pm

RE: Math is math.

runningryan

2/8/23 10:07pm

RE: Math is math.

SLIVER

2/8/23 10:19pm

No, the math formulas are different

2/8/23 11:13pm

When I was at my large law firm, the partners commissioned an internal study to determine if graduates from the top

slappy

2/8/23 5:24pm

Probably not the best study

tmurphey44

2/8/23 9:02pm

IIRC, we payed a lot of money to third party running the study, and they accounted for those factors in their findings.

slappy

2/8/23 10:50pm

That study makes a lot of sense

reddead

2/9/23 10:20am

I get your point, but the baseline math at MIT, Princeton, etc. is higher level

2/8/23 5:57pm

Total side note - During my junior year, a new thermodynamics professor joined BYU's staff from Arizona. After the

slappy

2/8/23 5:21pm

But I thought BYU is not a research school so the academics are bad…

Ducougar

2/8/23 5:29pm

In EE, 2000, we had a new professor that was from UW. Not a member but wanted to

panacablue

2/8/23 5:29pm

My first BYU Stats class was from a visiting professor from SDSU. A lot of his

LeGrandBleu

2/8/23 8:14pm

BYU uses cubic random number generators, not dice.

Les IsMore

2/8/23 10:04pm

Not in Stats 321 in 1983. And I don't recall him bringing in actual dice or

LeGrandBleu

2/9/23 8:22am

Same thing happened with me. We had a professor who came from a Michigan State

Pied Piper

2/9/23 2:12am

Certainly. When I attended a Med School generally considered to be difficult,

Malacis

2/8/23 5:30pm

I transferred and attended UCLA. BYU is FAR above the UC’s in so many ways

bluebrotha

2/8/23 5:31pm

Correct. In fact those are among the very reasons BYU is an elite top 60 School (Forbes #57) while Utah has improved...

LEDSFW

2/8/23 5:36pm

How does BYU rank in cost per student?

BYU-Laie

2/9/23 12:29am

Having attended BYU, U of U, and an Ivy League school, BYU was by far the most

BlooCoog

2/8/23 5:41pm

You got an undergraduate degree from all 3 places?

OKchief

2/8/23 6:16pm

My brother did undergrad at BYU, taught at Yale during his PhD and Stanford for his Post Doc, now teaches at BYU. Says

mvtoro

2/8/23 6:19pm

this almost frustrates me since i graduated from byu but don't think the added

2/8/23 6:31pm

One thing it does extremely well is prepare students for graduate study elsewhere. BYU graduates do much better on

mvtoro

2/8/23 7:05pm

I’m mostly playing devils advocate here. But my point is on that kind of track

OKchief

2/8/23 7:29pm

It’s really easy to tell if you’ve taught at both places, which he has. But if you’re teaching the class and remember

mvtoro

2/8/23 10:23pm

Comes down to how motivated and how focused your classmates are imo as

cougfanz

2/9/23 5:43am

My experience has been the opposite, albeit with different schools

krindorr

2/9/23 6:00am

Though I'll also add I took summer college math classes at Utah in HS and they were easier compared to BYU

krindorr

2/9/23 6:07am

Got my BA from BYU, did my whole freshman year at Utah. Harvard for

BlooCoog

2/8/23 8:30pm

Yeah that doesn’t tell us anything other than BYU is harder than Utah which is

OKchief

2/8/23 8:57pm

Yeah but it’s a good guess. Ivy League is overrated. The main difference there

BlooCoog

2/9/23 7:02am

I attended BYU and Columbia for undergrad. BYU was significantly harder.

cougfanz

2/9/23 5:32am

Its obvious this was just a convenient pretext to exclude BYU.

Brandoblueblood

2/8/23 5:59pm

You need to change to a healthier diet.

Les IsMore

2/8/23 10:20pm

utah grad programs are not elite

BYU Tar Heel

2/8/23 6:09pm

They conflate Research with Academics

runningryan

2/8/23 6:22pm

This is the point

carmelcougar

2/8/23 8:39pm

they have rankings for undergraduate programs right? we should tout ours more. i

2/8/23 6:30pm

We are a top tier undergrad school. That's why they had to reach for that excus

Brandoblueblood

2/8/23 6:40pm

By the most commonly used of those, we're #36/69 among P5s, so right at (or slightly below) median

krindorr

2/9/23 6:14am

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Pine

2/8/23 7:14pm

The dental school I graduated from in 1987 was top 3 at the time

Pine

2/8/23 7:38pm

I had the same experience. My BYU science classes were definitely harder.

rbr

2/8/23 7:56pm

Nebraska for me. Wish they would come home to the B12. It has been painful

Pine

2/8/23 8:05pm

Me too. Served my mission there.

Les IsMore

2/8/23 10:22pm

I love BYU, but I wouldn’t say it was overly rigorous.

2/9/23 4:48am

Depends on major

carmelcougar

2/9/23 5:06am

I graduated from the Y and went to upper middle MHA program on the east coast

Pretorian

2/9/23 6:00am

This is honestly something I love about BYU - the undergraduate focus

krindorr

2/9/23 6:10am

Exactly - teaching is a burden these professors pawn off on PhD candidates who lecture in huge auditoriums

runningryan

2/9/23 10:26am

A big reason Utah's graduate programs are strong is they're being fed thousands of BYU undergrads

Unibro

2/9/23 8:53am

valid point actually

2/9/23 8:57am

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