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Sep 30, 2014
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benny1982
In some ways, yes, but not in others. If a team has a chance to win at the end
of the game, I hardly call that domination. But whatever.
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If Utah is struggling to compete in the PAC12 why would BYU not struggle in B12?
Tricky
9/30/14 2:32pm
Who says BYU wouldn't struggle?
byujacob
9/30/14 2:32pm
I suppose I was reacting to the quote from the linked post.
Tricky
9/30/14 2:36pm
BYU would. Utah is. TCU did (although they seem to be figuring it out).
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 2:34pm
1st yr they won 4 games. Last year they won 2. 0 played yet this year.
byujacob
9/30/14 2:36pm
True. They're ranked now at least, and the B12 is weak. I imagine they'll
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 2:38pm
We shall see. The 3 teams they've played are horrible.
byujacob
9/30/14 2:50pm
I hope you are right. I want to see TCU struggle like us.
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 2:51pm
I thought utah would succeed MUCH sooner than MO. in SEC. Quite the opposite!
Desert Rat
9/30/14 2:38pm
Mizzou is peaking at a good time.
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 2:39pm
TCU won 4 games last year. This year they are 3-0, but none of those teams are
benny1982
9/30/14 2:39pm
Yewtah had a couple of teams yet a weak program. Byu has a strong program so we
travelcoug
9/30/14 2:47pm
Utah's week program has dominated BYU's over the last four years.
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 2:51pm
4-0 is dominating the rivalry over the last 4 years. Each game in itself was not
benny1982
9/30/14 2:52pm
Umm....ok
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 2:54pm
Maybe you just misunderstood my point, because even as a Utah fan, you
benny1982
9/30/14 3:08pm
Do you agree or disagree? Was each victory a "dominating" victory?
benny1982
9/30/14 2:55pm
I just hesitate to answer your question because it will open up a whole new
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 3:23pm
It doesn't. Just disagreed with the way you describe it. Wins are wins, but that
benny1982
9/30/14 3:27pm
BYU did Dominate Houston these last two years.
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 3:35pm
In some ways, yes, but not in others. If a team has a chance to win at the end
benny1982
9/30/14 3:39pm
No... Utah has had teams that beat byu but were much worse the rest of the
travelcoug
9/30/14 2:59pm
Where the Utah teams worse The rest of the season?
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 3:01pm
No they were worse. Less sharp, not as focused YOU LOST TO WAZZU TWO YEARS IN A
travelcoug
9/30/14 3:08pm
And BYU lost to UVa and SJSU and everyone else they played who was decent.
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 3:14pm
Yeah, the last 4 years are hardly a good time for BYU fans to be arguing that
benny1982
9/30/14 3:16pm
You make my point, one game doesn't show program superiority. Playing a schedule
travelcoug
9/30/14 3:24pm
Utah struggles are not surprising
rcbyufan
9/30/14 3:58pm
I can't believe people don't understand this. BYU is not equal to utah.
Mister P
9/30/14 2:34pm
BYU would still continue to lose the best LDS to the USCs, Notre Dames, ect
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 2:37pm
You're up in the night. They might lose some, but you can't tell me..
Fightgar
9/30/14 2:38pm
Maybe. Probably not.
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 2:41pm
Anyone who says BYU will fail because utah is failing is just wrong.
Mister P
9/30/14 2:44pm
comparing byu to anybody is wrong.
Fightgar
9/30/14 2:45pm
I'm not saying that they will fail because Utah fails.
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 2:46pm
Somebody forgot to tell Texas that.....twice.
Mister P
9/30/14 2:49pm
you beat a crappy Texas team twice. That is great, but it doesn't prove your pt
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 2:52pm
I am responding to your words:
Mister P
9/30/14 2:54pm
Yeah, but play Texas for a decade and then see where the series stands.
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 2:56pm
Love to. Where's the invite?
Mister P
9/30/14 2:57pm
I will see what I can do.
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 3:02pm
byu isn't "everybody" they are different than "everybody"
Fightgar
9/30/14 2:55pm
how can you say "probably not"?
Fightgar
9/30/14 2:45pm
Kids don't use Oregon, Stanford, or USC because they are in the p12
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 2:47pm
and part of the reason they are oregon, etc. is the are IN the pac-12
Fightgar
9/30/14 2:54pm
You're mixing it up. The pac 12 is Prestigious just because of Oregon and USC
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 2:57pm
what? so since it's prestigious, people want to play in it. it works both ways.
Fightgar
9/30/14 3:03pm
^^this post was the most incoherent one of the thread. Try again.
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 3:05pm
I'll make it as simple as I can...
Fightgar
9/30/14 3:11pm
You are just so far off track with these hypotheticals. Nobody knows what you're
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 3:15pm
Just answer the question please.
Fightgar
9/30/14 3:25pm
No.
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 3:34pm
I don't believe you.
Fightgar
9/30/14 3:41pm
No.
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 3:42pm
I take it you saw the poll I made about this?
Fightgar
9/30/14 4:57pm
Nope..
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 5:00pm
50 people think Oregon's recruiting takes a hit in MWC. 4 don't.
Fightgar
9/30/14 5:04pm
and....
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 5:57pm
Just showing you that my view that conference affiliation matters...
Fightgar
9/30/14 6:01pm
Shocking.
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 6:03pm
Not really.
Fightgar
9/30/14 8:42pm
Ok
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 8:45pm
Oh, and you really didn't have to "bold" that. Was the first time you answered.
Fightgar
9/30/14 3:42pm
I have no idea what this post means.
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 3:47pm
How many recruits has BYU lost to utah since utah went to the PAC.
Mister P
9/30/14 2:39pm
This is where our opinions differ.
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 2:44pm
That makes no sense. utah doesn't own the non-LDS market the way BYU owns the
Mister P
9/30/14 2:48pm
Exactly, they were wrong.
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 2:50pm
Now you are just arguing for arguings sake. I already said they wouldn't get
Mister P
9/30/14 2:51pm
Sorry, I mis took your post for fightgars fanatical opinion.
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 2:53pm
We aren't talking about championships. We are talking about competing in a
Mister P
9/30/14 2:56pm
Okay, so BYU is better than those schools?
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 3:00pm
Uh...really? You want to talk history of success and BYU football???
Mister P
9/30/14 3:02pm
No, it bores me.
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 3:03pm
I know. BYU's success is so long that it would take a while to get through.
Mister P
9/30/14 3:11pm
RE: I know. BYU's succ long that it would take a while to get through.
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 3:17pm
We would lose some but we definitely would gain some. USC is at this time not
raidingtombs
9/30/14 2:44pm
Another question that I would ask is
Virginia Ute
9/30/14 2:48pm
Potentially. I would say some tears definitely other years they might be
raidingtombs
9/30/14 2:57pm
i think it has to do with 2 things. conference strength and recruiting
Fightgar
9/30/14 2:36pm
Is the PAC-12 better than the Big 12 top to bottom?
byujacob
9/30/14 2:37pm
Right now it is. But everything is cyclical. Remember about five years ago?
buzzard
9/30/14 2:42pm
Recruiting is the major advantage!
Crowgar
9/30/14 2:36pm
I doubt we would dominate but unlike Utah BYU has an advantage. Out LDS roots
raidingtombs
9/30/14 2:38pm
I'll post this again here:
nephicoug
9/30/14 2:38pm
BYU has greater recruiting potential than utah and could compete long term.
SoValleyCOUG
9/30/14 2:39pm
Exibit 1
deja-blu
9/30/14 2:39pm
That's not that persuasive (since I can't see what it is)
Tricky
9/30/14 2:42pm
I blame your dial up modem.
deja-blu
9/30/14 3:04pm
Just for clarification, schadenfreude doesn't need a comparison to us
FiveTen-BuckEighty
9/30/14 2:42pm
I grew up there, and I also understand schadenfreude. But I'm just asking about
Tricky
9/30/14 2:47pm
I'll try to be brief:
gwalker
9/30/14 2:48pm
Solid. Well done.
FiveTen-BuckEighty
9/30/14 2:50pm
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