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Sep 30, 2014
2:46:17pm

Virginia Ute

I'm not saying that they will fail because Utah fails.

I'm Saying that they will fail because everyone fails. that is just how it is when you start competing against schools with 10 times the money, recruits, and resources that BYU or Utah historically has had. I'm not slamming BYU at all, so don't take it personally.

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If Utah is struggling to compete in the PAC12 why would BYU not struggle in B12?

Tricky

9/30/14 2:32pm

Who says BYU wouldn't struggle?

byujacob

9/30/14 2:32pm

I suppose I was reacting to the quote from the linked post.

Tricky

9/30/14 2:36pm

BYU would. Utah is. TCU did (although they seem to be figuring it out).

9/30/14 2:34pm

1st yr they won 4 games. Last year they won 2. 0 played yet this year.

byujacob

9/30/14 2:36pm

True. They're ranked now at least, and the B12 is weak. I imagine they'll

9/30/14 2:38pm

We shall see. The 3 teams they've played are horrible.

byujacob

9/30/14 2:50pm

I hope you are right. I want to see TCU struggle like us.

9/30/14 2:51pm

I thought utah would succeed MUCH sooner than MO. in SEC. Quite the opposite!

Desert Rat

9/30/14 2:38pm

Mizzou is peaking at a good time.

9/30/14 2:39pm

TCU won 4 games last year. This year they are 3-0, but none of those teams are

benny1982

9/30/14 2:39pm

Yewtah had a couple of teams yet a weak program. Byu has a strong program so we

travelcoug

9/30/14 2:47pm

Utah's week program has dominated BYU's over the last four years.

9/30/14 2:51pm

4-0 is dominating the rivalry over the last 4 years. Each game in itself was not

benny1982

9/30/14 2:52pm

Umm....ok

9/30/14 2:54pm

Maybe you just misunderstood my point, because even as a Utah fan, you

benny1982

9/30/14 3:08pm

Do you agree or disagree? Was each victory a "dominating" victory?

benny1982

9/30/14 2:55pm

I just hesitate to answer your question because it will open up a whole new

9/30/14 3:23pm

It doesn't. Just disagreed with the way you describe it. Wins are wins, but that

benny1982

9/30/14 3:27pm

BYU did Dominate Houston these last two years.

9/30/14 3:35pm

In some ways, yes, but not in others. If a team has a chance to win at the end

benny1982

9/30/14 3:39pm

No... Utah has had teams that beat byu but were much worse the rest of the

travelcoug

9/30/14 2:59pm

Where the Utah teams worse The rest of the season?

9/30/14 3:01pm

No they were worse. Less sharp, not as focused YOU LOST TO WAZZU TWO YEARS IN A

travelcoug

9/30/14 3:08pm

And BYU lost to UVa and SJSU and everyone else they played who was decent.

9/30/14 3:14pm

Yeah, the last 4 years are hardly a good time for BYU fans to be arguing that

benny1982

9/30/14 3:16pm

You make my point, one game doesn't show program superiority. Playing a schedule

travelcoug

9/30/14 3:24pm

Utah struggles are not surprising

rcbyufan

9/30/14 3:58pm

I can't believe people don't understand this. BYU is not equal to utah.

Mister P

9/30/14 2:34pm

BYU would still continue to lose the best LDS to the USCs, Notre Dames, ect

9/30/14 2:37pm

You're up in the night. They might lose some, but you can't tell me..

Fightgar

9/30/14 2:38pm

Maybe. Probably not.

9/30/14 2:41pm

Anyone who says BYU will fail because utah is failing is just wrong.

Mister P

9/30/14 2:44pm

comparing byu to anybody is wrong.

Fightgar

9/30/14 2:45pm

I'm not saying that they will fail because Utah fails.

9/30/14 2:46pm

Somebody forgot to tell Texas that.....twice.

Mister P

9/30/14 2:49pm

you beat a crappy Texas team twice. That is great, but it doesn't prove your pt

9/30/14 2:52pm

I am responding to your words:

Mister P

9/30/14 2:54pm

Yeah, but play Texas for a decade and then see where the series stands.

9/30/14 2:56pm

Love to. Where's the invite?

Mister P

9/30/14 2:57pm

I will see what I can do.

9/30/14 3:02pm

byu isn't "everybody" they are different than "everybody"

Fightgar

9/30/14 2:55pm

how can you say "probably not"?

Fightgar

9/30/14 2:45pm

Kids don't use Oregon, Stanford, or USC because they are in the p12

9/30/14 2:47pm

and part of the reason they are oregon, etc. is the are IN the pac-12

Fightgar

9/30/14 2:54pm

You're mixing it up. The pac 12 is Prestigious just because of Oregon and USC

9/30/14 2:57pm

what? so since it's prestigious, people want to play in it. it works both ways.

Fightgar

9/30/14 3:03pm

^^this post was the most incoherent one of the thread. Try again.

9/30/14 3:05pm

I'll make it as simple as I can...

Fightgar

9/30/14 3:11pm

You are just so far off track with these hypotheticals. Nobody knows what you're

9/30/14 3:15pm

Just answer the question please.

Fightgar

9/30/14 3:25pm

No.

9/30/14 3:34pm

I don't believe you.

Fightgar

9/30/14 3:41pm

No.

9/30/14 3:42pm

I take it you saw the poll I made about this?

Fightgar

9/30/14 4:57pm

Nope..

9/30/14 5:00pm

50 people think Oregon's recruiting takes a hit in MWC. 4 don't.

Fightgar

9/30/14 5:04pm

and....

9/30/14 5:57pm

Just showing you that my view that conference affiliation matters...

Fightgar

9/30/14 6:01pm

Shocking.

9/30/14 6:03pm

Not really.

Fightgar

9/30/14 8:42pm

Ok

9/30/14 8:45pm

Oh, and you really didn't have to "bold" that. Was the first time you answered.

Fightgar

9/30/14 3:42pm

I have no idea what this post means.

9/30/14 3:47pm

How many recruits has BYU lost to utah since utah went to the PAC.

Mister P

9/30/14 2:39pm

This is where our opinions differ.

9/30/14 2:44pm

That makes no sense. utah doesn't own the non-LDS market the way BYU owns the

Mister P

9/30/14 2:48pm

Exactly, they were wrong.

9/30/14 2:50pm

Now you are just arguing for arguings sake. I already said they wouldn't get

Mister P

9/30/14 2:51pm

Sorry, I mis took your post for fightgars fanatical opinion.

9/30/14 2:53pm

We aren't talking about championships. We are talking about competing in a

Mister P

9/30/14 2:56pm

Okay, so BYU is better than those schools?

9/30/14 3:00pm

Uh...really? You want to talk history of success and BYU football???

Mister P

9/30/14 3:02pm

No, it bores me.

9/30/14 3:03pm

I know. BYU's success is so long that it would take a while to get through.

Mister P

9/30/14 3:11pm

RE: I know. BYU's succ long that it would take a while to get through.

9/30/14 3:17pm

We would lose some but we definitely would gain some. USC is at this time not

9/30/14 2:44pm

Another question that I would ask is

9/30/14 2:48pm

Potentially. I would say some tears definitely other years they might be

9/30/14 2:57pm

i think it has to do with 2 things. conference strength and recruiting

Fightgar

9/30/14 2:36pm

Is the PAC-12 better than the Big 12 top to bottom?

byujacob

9/30/14 2:37pm

Right now it is. But everything is cyclical. Remember about five years ago?

buzzard

9/30/14 2:42pm

Recruiting is the major advantage!

Crowgar

9/30/14 2:36pm

I doubt we would dominate but unlike Utah BYU has an advantage. Out LDS roots

9/30/14 2:38pm

I'll post this again here:

nephicoug

9/30/14 2:38pm

BYU has greater recruiting potential than utah and could compete long term.

SoValleyCOUG

9/30/14 2:39pm

Exibit 1

deja-blu

9/30/14 2:39pm

That's not that persuasive (since I can't see what it is)

Tricky

9/30/14 2:42pm

I blame your dial up modem.

deja-blu

9/30/14 3:04pm

Just for clarification, schadenfreude doesn't need a comparison to us

FiveTen-BuckEighty

9/30/14 2:42pm

I grew up there, and I also understand schadenfreude. But I'm just asking about

Tricky

9/30/14 2:47pm

I'll try to be brief:

gwalker

9/30/14 2:48pm

Solid. Well done.

FiveTen-BuckEighty

9/30/14 2:50pm

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