Now you are just arguing for arguings sake. I already said they wouldn't get

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Sep 30, 2014
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Mister P

100%, but they would get more.

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If Utah is struggling to compete in the PAC12 why would BYU not struggle in B12?

Tricky

9/30/14 2:32pm

Who says BYU wouldn't struggle?

byujacob

9/30/14 2:32pm

I suppose I was reacting to the quote from the linked post.

Tricky

9/30/14 2:36pm

BYU would. Utah is. TCU did (although they seem to be figuring it out).

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 2:34pm

1st yr they won 4 games. Last year they won 2. 0 played yet this year.

byujacob

9/30/14 2:36pm

True. They're ranked now at least, and the B12 is weak. I imagine they'll

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 2:38pm

We shall see. The 3 teams they've played are horrible.

byujacob

9/30/14 2:50pm

I hope you are right. I want to see TCU struggle like us.

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 2:51pm

I thought utah would succeed MUCH sooner than MO. in SEC. Quite the opposite!

Desert Rat

9/30/14 2:38pm

Mizzou is peaking at a good time.

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 2:39pm

TCU won 4 games last year. This year they are 3-0, but none of those teams are

benny1982

9/30/14 2:39pm

Yewtah had a couple of teams yet a weak program. Byu has a strong program so we

travelcoug

9/30/14 2:47pm

Utah's week program has dominated BYU's over the last four years.

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 2:51pm

4-0 is dominating the rivalry over the last 4 years. Each game in itself was not

benny1982

9/30/14 2:52pm

Umm....ok

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 2:54pm

Maybe you just misunderstood my point, because even as a Utah fan, you

benny1982

9/30/14 3:08pm

Do you agree or disagree? Was each victory a "dominating" victory?

benny1982

9/30/14 2:55pm

I just hesitate to answer your question because it will open up a whole new

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 3:23pm

It doesn't. Just disagreed with the way you describe it. Wins are wins, but that

benny1982

9/30/14 3:27pm

BYU did Dominate Houston these last two years.

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 3:35pm

In some ways, yes, but not in others. If a team has a chance to win at the end

benny1982

9/30/14 3:39pm

No... Utah has had teams that beat byu but were much worse the rest of the

travelcoug

9/30/14 2:59pm

Where the Utah teams worse The rest of the season?

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 3:01pm

No they were worse. Less sharp, not as focused YOU LOST TO WAZZU TWO YEARS IN A

travelcoug

9/30/14 3:08pm

And BYU lost to UVa and SJSU and everyone else they played who was decent.

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 3:14pm

Yeah, the last 4 years are hardly a good time for BYU fans to be arguing that

benny1982

9/30/14 3:16pm

You make my point, one game doesn't show program superiority. Playing a schedule

travelcoug

9/30/14 3:24pm

Utah struggles are not surprising

rcbyufan

9/30/14 3:58pm

I can't believe people don't understand this. BYU is not equal to utah.

Mister P

9/30/14 2:34pm

BYU would still continue to lose the best LDS to the USCs, Notre Dames, ect

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 2:37pm

You're up in the night. They might lose some, but you can't tell me..

Fightgar

9/30/14 2:38pm

Maybe. Probably not.

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 2:41pm

Anyone who says BYU will fail because utah is failing is just wrong.

Mister P

9/30/14 2:44pm

comparing byu to anybody is wrong.

Fightgar

9/30/14 2:45pm

I'm not saying that they will fail because Utah fails.

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 2:46pm

Somebody forgot to tell Texas that.....twice.

Mister P

9/30/14 2:49pm

you beat a crappy Texas team twice. That is great, but it doesn't prove your pt

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 2:52pm

I am responding to your words:

Mister P

9/30/14 2:54pm

Yeah, but play Texas for a decade and then see where the series stands.

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 2:56pm

Love to. Where's the invite?

Mister P

9/30/14 2:57pm

I will see what I can do.

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 3:02pm

byu isn't "everybody" they are different than "everybody"

Fightgar

9/30/14 2:55pm

how can you say "probably not"?

Fightgar

9/30/14 2:45pm

Kids don't use Oregon, Stanford, or USC because they are in the p12

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 2:47pm

and part of the reason they are oregon, etc. is the are IN the pac-12

Fightgar

9/30/14 2:54pm

You're mixing it up. The pac 12 is Prestigious just because of Oregon and USC

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 2:57pm

what? so since it's prestigious, people want to play in it. it works both ways.

Fightgar

9/30/14 3:03pm

^^this post was the most incoherent one of the thread. Try again.

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 3:05pm

I'll make it as simple as I can...

Fightgar

9/30/14 3:11pm

You are just so far off track with these hypotheticals. Nobody knows what you're

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 3:15pm

Just answer the question please.

Fightgar

9/30/14 3:25pm

No.

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 3:34pm

I don't believe you.

Fightgar

9/30/14 3:41pm

No.

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 3:42pm

I take it you saw the poll I made about this?

Fightgar

9/30/14 4:57pm

Nope..

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 5:00pm

50 people think Oregon's recruiting takes a hit in MWC. 4 don't.

Fightgar

9/30/14 5:04pm

and....

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 5:57pm

Just showing you that my view that conference affiliation matters...

Fightgar

9/30/14 6:01pm

Shocking.

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 6:03pm

Not really.

Fightgar

9/30/14 8:42pm

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 8:45pm

Oh, and you really didn't have to "bold" that. Was the first time you answered.

Fightgar

9/30/14 3:42pm

I have no idea what this post means.

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 3:47pm

How many recruits has BYU lost to utah since utah went to the PAC.

Mister P

9/30/14 2:39pm

This is where our opinions differ.

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 2:44pm

That makes no sense. utah doesn't own the non-LDS market the way BYU owns the

Mister P

9/30/14 2:48pm

Exactly, they were wrong.

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 2:50pm

Now you are just arguing for arguings sake. I already said they wouldn't get

Mister P

9/30/14 2:51pm

Sorry, I mis took your post for fightgars fanatical opinion.

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 2:53pm

We aren't talking about championships. We are talking about competing in a

Mister P

9/30/14 2:56pm

Okay, so BYU is better than those schools?

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 3:00pm

Uh...really? You want to talk history of success and BYU football???

Mister P

9/30/14 3:02pm

No, it bores me.

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 3:03pm

I know. BYU's success is so long that it would take a while to get through.

Mister P

9/30/14 3:11pm

RE: I know. BYU's succ long that it would take a while to get through.

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 3:17pm

We would lose some but we definitely would gain some. USC is at this time not

raidingtombs

9/30/14 2:44pm

Another question that I would ask is

Virginia Ute

9/30/14 2:48pm

Potentially. I would say some tears definitely other years they might be

raidingtombs

9/30/14 2:57pm

i think it has to do with 2 things. conference strength and recruiting

Fightgar

9/30/14 2:36pm

Is the PAC-12 better than the Big 12 top to bottom?

byujacob

9/30/14 2:37pm

Right now it is. But everything is cyclical. Remember about five years ago?

buzzard

9/30/14 2:42pm

Recruiting is the major advantage!

Crowgar

9/30/14 2:36pm

I doubt we would dominate but unlike Utah BYU has an advantage. Out LDS roots

raidingtombs

9/30/14 2:38pm

I'll post this again here:

nephicoug

9/30/14 2:38pm

BYU has greater recruiting potential than utah and could compete long term.

SoValleyCOUG

9/30/14 2:39pm

Exibit 1

deja-blu

9/30/14 2:39pm

That's not that persuasive (since I can't see what it is)

Tricky

9/30/14 2:42pm

I blame your dial up modem.

deja-blu

9/30/14 3:04pm

Just for clarification, schadenfreude doesn't need a comparison to us

FiveTen-BuckEighty

9/30/14 2:42pm

I grew up there, and I also understand schadenfreude. But I'm just asking about

Tricky

9/30/14 2:47pm

I'll try to be brief:

gwalker

9/30/14 2:48pm

Solid. Well done.

FiveTen-BuckEighty

9/30/14 2:50pm

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