This is an "attitude" based on 45 years of data. Data which consistently show

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Aug 20, 2018
2:05:24pm

Indy Coug Loquacious Lummox

how BYU fares against P5-caliber opposition. LaVell struggled and all of his successors have similarly struggled.

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This is why an independent schedule is better than a MWC schedule.

Coach's Dad

8/20/18 1:10pm

But what about my personal issues with self loathing as it relates to my inferiority complex compared to Utah?

mulletino

8/20/18 1:16pm

Wins against good opponents should fix that. Losses in independence mean you are

Coach's Dad

8/20/18 1:19pm

Sure, but real competitors cannot compete if they aren't able to stare at a conference standings race.

mulletino

8/20/18 1:20pm

"If we can just beat Wyoming this week and San Jose State next week, we can

Coach's Dad

8/20/18 1:25pm

Wins against MWC teams are nicer than losses to MWC teams. That is true.

Pete Way

8/20/18 4:44pm

Couldn’t decide between thumbs up, smiley, or POTD.

BigEasyCougar

8/20/18 2:47pm

What games in September, in Lavell's era, was remembered the most?

Coug

8/20/18 1:33pm

Different times. Nobody cares about bowl games now.

Coach's Dad

8/20/18 1:38pm

Yes... it's different times, where getting to and winning your conference championship game...

Coug

8/20/18 1:42pm

I don't want to be a legendary MWC team. No thanks. We already have that.

Coach's Dad

8/20/18 1:46pm

I don't either... but I don't want to be Tom Hanks on a desseted island talking to a volleyball...

Coug

8/20/18 2:12pm

So, you'd rather be on an island with a bunch of chimps pretending to be people?

Pete Way

8/20/18 4:47pm

Have you seen the female chimp? I'm just saying

Coug

8/20/18 7:41pm

Well I guess it IS true that these are dark, confusing times in which we live...

Pete Way

8/20/18 8:34pm

Those times were much more fun than current times

shakarocks

8/20/18 3:24pm

Washington, Texas A&M, UCLA, Miami...should I keep going?

macdizzle

8/20/18 1:38pm

And now weigh those against the games in December...

Coug

8/20/18 1:40pm

Those are bowl games...

macdizzle

8/20/18 2:10pm

Exactly... they mean more than the regular season garbage games.

Coug

8/20/18 2:26pm

Now, that is Week 1,2,3,4...in the past we play maybe 1-2 a year, big difference

kolob32

8/20/18 2:03pm

From January to August, an independent schedule is better.

Blue Cat

8/20/18 1:41pm

Uggh, such a loser attitude.

Coach's Dad

8/20/18 1:53pm

Independent have just been more top-heavy- 3/4 good teams the rest bad.

Mr. Scoobs

8/20/18 1:58pm

Name the last quality P5 road win for BYU.

Blue Cat

8/20/18 2:02pm

Why are you putting so many qualifiers on our P5 wins? Best to look at all

Coach's Dad

8/20/18 2:17pm

We play more P5 road games than home. Significantly more P5 road than neutral.

Blue Cat

8/20/18 2:29pm

At the end of the day, he will still view a win over a 4-8 Nebraska team....

Coug

8/20/18 2:39pm

You are describing everyone in the country. Beating names matter. People

Coach's Dad

8/20/18 3:13pm

And nobody remembers our wins over the teams we mentioned...

Coug

8/20/18 3:19pm

We can agree to disagree. You just prioritize more wins over quality wins. I

Coach's Dad

8/20/18 3:27pm

Nobody has made Independence work but 1 team...

Coug

8/20/18 3:36pm

Looks like I didn't persuade you. To each their own.

Coach's Dad

8/20/18 3:41pm

Road wins are not the only important wins. Here's some data for you.

Coach's Dad

8/20/18 3:00pm

Since you won't answer my question. Here's some data for you.

Blue Cat

8/20/18 4:04pm

I already told you that your request for that stat was meaningless. Just looking

Coach's Dad

8/20/18 4:10pm

And I explained to you why it mattered.

Blue Cat

8/20/18 4:39pm

This is an "attitude" based on 45 years of data. Data which consistently show

Indy Coug

8/20/18 2:05pm

How do you define struggled?

Coach's Dad

8/20/18 2:10pm

Winning 40% of your games against P5s = "struggled". Your linked post is only listing home games

Indy Coug

8/20/18 2:14pm

RE: This is why an independent schedule is better than a MWC schedule.

BYUDelta71

8/20/18 1:44pm

True. I don't think our current scheduling is where we should be given our

Coach's Dad

8/20/18 1:55pm

Dialing back our schedule? That's what I said! What a loser attitude.

Blue Cat

8/20/18 2:06pm

"A little," especially when considering next year. You want to play pansies and

Coach's Dad

8/20/18 2:12pm

Since when has a G5 schedule with 2-3 P5s mixed in been easy for our program?

Blue Cat

8/20/18 2:19pm

Yep, I understand it. And Holmoe understands it. And I would imagine he would be

Coach's Dad

8/20/18 2:29pm

It's getting really boring having nothing to play for mid-Sept-Dec.

Mr. Scoobs

8/20/18 1:54pm

Recency bias. We have shown we can beat decent P5 teams. Last year is more

Coach's Dad

8/20/18 1:57pm

Nah, I haven't watched the last few games of each independent year in a while

Iki_Balam

8/20/18 2:31pm

You really missing fighting for the MWC?

kotacoug

8/20/18 2:10pm

I miss fighting it out with two or three other programs who were equally

Iki_Balam

8/20/18 2:27pm

It's all relative. People only started hating the MW when Utah went PAC-12.

Mr. Scoobs

8/20/18 3:07pm

No, we started hating the MWC when they started screwing over BYU

BYUMizzou

8/20/18 3:11pm

Games may have been fuzzy, but no doubt the seasons were exciting.

Mr. Scoobs

8/20/18 3:17pm

You can only offer your personal opinion. My opinion is different. I find it

BYUMizzou

8/20/18 4:08pm

If overall record and nationally ranked are most important to you than we had

Mr. Scoobs

8/20/18 4:19pm

Some of us don't suffer from sports-related

BYUMizzou

8/20/18 5:38pm

not sure how that devolved into prescribing pills for a mythical condition.

Mr. Scoobs

8/20/18 5:51pm

That's an ironic response, since you obviously arent interested in trying

BYUMizzou

8/20/18 8:32pm

Facts vs. Ad hominem and I'm the one who doesn't want to understand your points?

Mr. Scoobs

8/21/18 9:53am

Your personal opinions are not facts. Get real. Have some self awareness

BYUMizzou

8/21/18 11:47am

How are SOS ratings, win totals, and top-25 finishes not facts?

Mr. Scoobs

8/21/18 12:02pm

You said:

BYUMizzou

8/21/18 1:21pm

Cherry picking comments and concluding everything is 100% opinion is strange.

Mr. Scoobs

8/21/18 2:23pm

Other than, like, playing to win the games? Or do you just not like football?

Pete Way

8/20/18 4:29pm

I can't find any rational, non-emotional reason that MWC is better than Indy.

Pete Way

8/20/18 4:25pm

BYU was way more relevent nationally in the MWC.

Mr. Scoobs

8/20/18 4:30pm

Maybe. Maybe not. It still doesn't make me care about the MWC or give value to

Pete Way

8/20/18 4:39pm

Amigo, you have to remember that when we were there, so were TCU and Utah

Iki_Balam

8/21/18 12:45pm

Now, in 2018 (and since TCU & Utah left), there is no reason

Iki_Balam

8/21/18 12:30pm

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