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Apr 21, 2021
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ManicBlue
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Agreed ... Zach's career stats compare favorably with any of BYU's top QB's
Also, take into account Zach played in fewer games than all but Sark.
Most impressive to me is his career passing efficiency (1st easily) and his Y/A (3rd). He also finished 5th in career rushing by a QB.
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I hate that you're making me write this.
Ham
4/21/21 4:53pm
I blame it on Recency Bias.
Y-Zag
4/21/21 4:55pm
I blame it on either Decoy Effect or Gambler's Fallacy
jamalccc
4/21/21 8:37pm
I blame it on not beating Utah
King of Y
4/21/21 11:37pm
Yeah. For those of you so young Max Hall was your childhood icon.
SinkingQuffa
4/22/21 7:35am
agree, wish him absolute best, but that is some tough company
byu1
4/21/21 4:57pm
No records?
cougfanblue
4/21/21 4:58pm
Basing my info on Cougarstats
Ham
4/21/21 5:00pm
That's fine, but there are more QB stats than the 4 they have on there.
cougfanblue
4/21/21 5:02pm
Agreed ... Zach's career stats compare favorably with any of BYU's top QB's
ManicBlue
4/21/21 5:31pm
Top one? That's just not right. Top four, probably not unless he had come back.
All-American
4/21/21 5:06pm
You’re saying he’s too good to be considered top 4, because he’s a top-2 draft pick. That’s messed up.
cougfanblue
4/21/21 5:09pm
Look, the guy never beat Utah.
All-American
4/21/21 5:33pm
Utah was a high school team compared to where they are now
ManicBlue
4/21/21 5:48pm
Hold on, are you discounting BYU's Heisman winner in an effort to win this
kos
4/21/21 7:06pm
Obviously not discounting the Heisman. smh
ManicBlue
4/21/21 8:17pm
Put Zach in Lavell’s offensive system and he’s all of those things.
cougfanblue
4/21/21 5:52pm
Do you realize how many yards Ty Detmer would have had in 1989 if he
Y05
4/23/21 3:01pm
And soon he’ll have the record for the highest draft spot in BYU history.
cougfanblue
4/21/21 5:07pm
Top one? He didn't win any awards. He didn't really win anything
Alpi Gusto
4/21/21 5:18pm
Yeah, he's not close to top 1.
volleyjiver
4/21/21 5:56pm
Winning awards is an unfair measuring stick now. Non P5 players aren’t winning
DiamondMo
4/21/21 6:15pm
In addition, Zach passed Sark for best career completion percentage too.
ManicBlue
4/21/21 6:40pm
Completion percentage and Y/A have more to do with era than with QB talent
krindorr
4/25/21 11:31am
Agreed. Those records are significant. I'd rate him 4th in that photo. The eye
Forzaitalia
4/21/21 7:42pm
I can't believe you are making me post this:
Turnpike Lane
4/21/21 5:08pm
Maybe not an ‘all-time great’ according to your def. but he is top 2 “best”
Zaphod
4/21/21 5:10pm
Marc Wilson, BYU's first consensus All-American and 2x Super Bowl champ would
Parker Schnabel
4/21/21 5:10pm
Albeit minor roles in those two Super Bowl wins.
lightmann
4/21/21 5:58pm
If you don't beat Utah then you're not top 4
cambo
4/21/21 5:10pm
Please. In the days those guys beat Utah, it was like beating USU now. Which he did. And those are the facts.
Turnpike Lane
4/21/21 5:13pm
Your facts don't negate my facts
cambo
4/21/21 5:18pm
Also, ZW never beat USU either
cambo
4/21/21 5:23pm
Never started against them
Charles Darwin
4/21/21 5:30pm
Yes, but he never had a season ending injury against them either.
Parker Schnabel
4/21/21 10:38pm
Team accomplishment, sorry.
Lip Gallagher
4/21/21 5:25pm
Did beating Utah make John Beck’s career better?
All-American
4/21/21 7:18pm
Agreed. He capitalized on the cards 2020 dealt better than anyone else
LifelongAP
4/21/21 5:12pm
2020 was more like the schedules of the other 3 greats. And his year was best.
Turnpike Lane
4/21/21 5:17pm
Ty beat the #1 team in the country
AF Cougar
4/21/21 8:30pm
Young beat Pac 10 and Rose Bowl champ on the road.
Y05
4/22/21 2:11am
I guess I wasn’t around for some of those guys you mention but...
stenso
4/21/21 5:17pm
*except John Beck. Zach may throw a better ball, but Beck’s motion was just
flyonawall
4/21/21 7:28pm
Your ignorance is so sweet.
LaVellIfIKnow
4/21/21 5:20pm
Drafted #2 overall seems pretty significant to me.. you can't just discount NFL
GhostRider
4/21/21 5:22pm
Depends. Would you call Ziggy the best defensive player ever at BYU?
Parker Schnabel
4/21/21 10:40pm
I'm not saying it makes him the best QB to play at BYU, but it is significant.
GhostRider
4/22/21 1:31am
Love ZW but you're right and it's a testament to the history of BYU QBs
krindorr
4/21/21 5:27pm
Did you watch this season?
ParentingNotForSissy
4/21/21 5:29pm
My list having watched them all in person except Nielsen and Carter
ManicBlue
4/21/21 5:40pm
you give sark a lot more credit than most, I agree. The 96 team may be best ever
nybyblue
4/21/21 5:50pm
I agree about Steve Young. Take away his NFL career and i don't think people
GhostRider
4/21/21 5:51pm
2nd in the Heisman is pretty elite
stansburycoug
4/22/21 9:12pm
I can get behind this list.
BlackBart
4/21/21 5:52pm
Honestly, growing up as a Utah fan, Sark never impressed or scared me
krindorr
4/21/21 6:12pm
RE: Honestly, growing up as a Utah fan, Sark never impressed or scared me
ManicBlue
4/21/21 6:22pm
Like I said, it could just be bias because of the lens I saw him through
krindorr
4/22/21 7:27am
Sark was definitely not the issue his Sr year.
ManicBlue
4/22/21 3:59pm
Like I said, it was largely a matter of perspective
krindorr
4/22/21 4:23pm
I agree with this list.
cougfanblue
4/21/21 6:33pm
Young was a better pro than college, but still top 3, maybe 2.
ochobeeguy
4/21/21 7:08pm
That’s true, but only because he was one of the best pro QBs ever from any school. He was still amazing in college. Only
mvtoro
4/22/21 2:05pm
Nope, Marc Wilson was not #9
AF Cougar
4/21/21 8:33pm
Your list?
ManicBlue
4/22/21 12:35am
Pretty decent list. But beck was better than hall IMO and Sark, Marc, and Young
ColonelMustard
4/22/21 12:11am
Maybe the answer is to make BYU QB Mt Rushmore 6 faces instead of 4
gww687
4/21/21 5:49pm
Why don't we go with nine faces
Wingnut
4/21/21 5:55pm
No No No, 11 play the game, 11 are on the mountain. Who destroyed Texas twice?
nybyblue
4/21/21 5:58pm
Beck and Marc Wilson are not ahead of Z. Wilson
BlackBart
4/21/21 5:51pm
Beating Utah should also be a requirement.
fudgers
4/21/21 5:54pm
This is a silly and unfair measurement
deliciousmocha
4/21/21 8:51pm
Just was about to type this. Greats beat Utah. He never did.
P-Widdy
4/21/21 8:55pm
Utah was not the power in Young, McMahon and Detmer's day that it was in Zach's.
Forzaitalia
4/21/21 10:23pm
Apples and oranges with the QBs from **checks notes** ~40 years ago
DanSmith
4/21/21 6:06pm
I haven’t given it a ton of thought but ZW needed more meaningful wins for me
climps
4/21/21 6:11pm
No one else beat Tennessee at Knoxville
kiyoshige
4/21/21 6:18pm
Tennessee?
cougssu
4/21/21 6:38pm
Boise State is still picking pieces of the blue turf out of their ears.
Y05
4/22/21 7:48pm
Covid. Nuff said.
MrClark
4/21/21 6:51pm
ZW is probably the most talented QB in BYU history. But he isn't the most
mudpupper
4/21/21 7:59pm
No kidding. Like him, but good grief the overhype is at Provo levels with ZW.
dccoug
4/21/21 8:50pm
I bet that the vast majority of those saying ZW deserves to be in the top 4 are
BleedCougarBlue2
4/21/21 9:04pm
Even more that never saw Marc Wilson, or Virgil Carter throwing to Phil Odle
AF Cougar
4/21/21 9:30pm
I’m 41 but didn’t get into football until Sarkisian....
ByuImaginesDragons
4/21/21 9:48pm
Max was great in many ways, but if he had Wilson's talent
SinkingQuffa
4/21/21 10:18pm
Ummm, he won more games than any other QB in BYU history.
gww687
4/21/21 10:28pm
Did anything I say suggest I don't accept or honor that record & great career?
SinkingQuffa
4/21/21 10:44pm
*The team won... If you want to compare a QB to another QB, you have to take into account supporting cast, opponent,
mvtoro
4/22/21 12:43am
Yeah, but there are seven he lost.
All-American
4/23/21 1:09pm
Steve Sarkisian, Doman would be favorable comparisons for BYU careers
stansburycoug
4/21/21 11:17pm
Sark may be the most underrated of the greats.
lightmann
4/23/21 1:04pm
RE: I hate that you're making me write this.
Pangare
4/22/21 6:46am
Bosco has to make the Rushmore, he won a natty
ZeldaCoug
4/22/21 7:50am
His season was an all-timer, not his career.
'69chevy
4/22/21 9:42am
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