Look, the guy never beat Utah.

Apr 21, 2021
5:33:01pm

All-American All-American

And you're putting him over consensus All-Americans, heisman winners, O'Brien trophy winners, Super Bowl MVPs, etc.

Sorry, I can't buy that. It's no slight against ZW to say his BYU career wasn't quite as shiny as theirs.

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Time

I hate that you're making me write this.

Ham

4/21/21 4:53pm

I blame it on Recency Bias.

Y-Zag

4/21/21 4:55pm

I blame it on either Decoy Effect or Gambler's Fallacy

jamalccc

4/21/21 8:37pm

I blame it on not beating Utah

King of Y

4/21/21 11:37pm

Yeah. For those of you so young Max Hall was your childhood icon.

SinkingQuffa

4/22/21 7:35am

agree, wish him absolute best, but that is some tough company

byu1

4/21/21 4:57pm

No records?

cougfanblue

4/21/21 4:58pm

Basing my info on Cougarstats

Ham

4/21/21 5:00pm

That's fine, but there are more QB stats than the 4 they have on there.

cougfanblue

4/21/21 5:02pm

Agreed ... Zach's career stats compare favorably with any of BYU's top QB's

ManicBlue

4/21/21 5:31pm

Top one? That's just not right. Top four, probably not unless he had come back.

All-American

4/21/21 5:06pm

You’re saying he’s too good to be considered top 4, because he’s a top-2 draft pick. That’s messed up.

cougfanblue

4/21/21 5:09pm

Look, the guy never beat Utah.

All-American

4/21/21 5:33pm

Utah was a high school team compared to where they are now

ManicBlue

4/21/21 5:48pm

Hold on, are you discounting BYU's Heisman winner in an effort to win this

kos

4/21/21 7:06pm

Obviously not discounting the Heisman. smh

ManicBlue

4/21/21 8:17pm

Put Zach in Lavell’s offensive system and he’s all of those things.

cougfanblue

4/21/21 5:52pm

Do you realize how many yards Ty Detmer would have had in 1989 if he

Y05

4/23/21 3:01pm

And soon he’ll have the record for the highest draft spot in BYU history.

cougfanblue

4/21/21 5:07pm

Top one? He didn't win any awards. He didn't really win anything

Alpi Gusto

4/21/21 5:18pm

Yeah, he's not close to top 1.

volleyjiver

4/21/21 5:56pm

Winning awards is an unfair measuring stick now. Non P5 players aren’t winning

DiamondMo

4/21/21 6:15pm

In addition, Zach passed Sark for best career completion percentage too.

ManicBlue

4/21/21 6:40pm

Completion percentage and Y/A have more to do with era than with QB talent

krindorr

4/25/21 11:31am

Agreed. Those records are significant. I'd rate him 4th in that photo. The eye

Forzaitalia

4/21/21 7:42pm

I can't believe you are making me post this:

Turnpike Lane

4/21/21 5:08pm

Maybe not an ‘all-time great’ according to your def. but he is top 2 “best”

Zaphod

4/21/21 5:10pm

Marc Wilson, BYU's first consensus All-American and 2x Super Bowl champ would

Parker Schnabel

4/21/21 5:10pm

Albeit minor roles in those two Super Bowl wins.

lightmann

4/21/21 5:58pm

If you don't beat Utah then you're not top 4

cambo

4/21/21 5:10pm

Please. In the days those guys beat Utah, it was like beating USU now. Which he did. And those are the facts.

Turnpike Lane

4/21/21 5:13pm

Your facts don't negate my facts

cambo

4/21/21 5:18pm

Also, ZW never beat USU either

cambo

4/21/21 5:23pm

Never started against them

Charles Darwin

4/21/21 5:30pm

Yes, but he never had a season ending injury against them either.

Parker Schnabel

4/21/21 10:38pm

Team accomplishment, sorry.

Lip Gallagher

4/21/21 5:25pm

Did beating Utah make John Beck’s career better?

All-American

4/21/21 7:18pm

Agreed. He capitalized on the cards 2020 dealt better than anyone else

LifelongAP

4/21/21 5:12pm

2020 was more like the schedules of the other 3 greats. And his year was best.

Turnpike Lane

4/21/21 5:17pm

Ty beat the #1 team in the country

AF Cougar

4/21/21 8:30pm

Young beat Pac 10 and Rose Bowl champ on the road.

Y05

4/22/21 2:11am

I guess I wasn’t around for some of those guys you mention but...

stenso

4/21/21 5:17pm

*except John Beck. Zach may throw a better ball, but Beck’s motion was just

flyonawall

4/21/21 7:28pm

Your ignorance is so sweet.

LaVellIfIKnow

4/21/21 5:20pm

Drafted #2 overall seems pretty significant to me.. you can't just discount NFL

GhostRider

4/21/21 5:22pm

Depends. Would you call Ziggy the best defensive player ever at BYU?

Parker Schnabel

4/21/21 10:40pm

I'm not saying it makes him the best QB to play at BYU, but it is significant.

GhostRider

4/22/21 1:31am

Love ZW but you're right and it's a testament to the history of BYU QBs

krindorr

4/21/21 5:27pm

Did you watch this season?

ParentingNotForSissy

4/21/21 5:29pm

My list having watched them all in person except Nielsen and Carter

ManicBlue

4/21/21 5:40pm

you give sark a lot more credit than most, I agree. The 96 team may be best ever

nybyblue

4/21/21 5:50pm

I agree about Steve Young. Take away his NFL career and i don't think people

GhostRider

4/21/21 5:51pm

2nd in the Heisman is pretty elite

stansburycoug

4/22/21 9:12pm

I can get behind this list.

BlackBart

4/21/21 5:52pm

Honestly, growing up as a Utah fan, Sark never impressed or scared me

krindorr

4/21/21 6:12pm

RE: Honestly, growing up as a Utah fan, Sark never impressed or scared me

ManicBlue

4/21/21 6:22pm

Like I said, it could just be bias because of the lens I saw him through

krindorr

4/22/21 7:27am

Sark was definitely not the issue his Sr year.

ManicBlue

4/22/21 3:59pm

Like I said, it was largely a matter of perspective

krindorr

4/22/21 4:23pm

I agree with this list.

cougfanblue

4/21/21 6:33pm

Young was a better pro than college, but still top 3, maybe 2.

ochobeeguy

4/21/21 7:08pm

That’s true, but only because he was one of the best pro QBs ever from any school. He was still amazing in college. Only

mvtoro

4/22/21 2:05pm

Nope, Marc Wilson was not #9

AF Cougar

4/21/21 8:33pm

Your list?

ManicBlue

4/22/21 12:35am

Pretty decent list. But beck was better than hall IMO and Sark, Marc, and Young

ColonelMustard

4/22/21 12:11am

Maybe the answer is to make BYU QB Mt Rushmore 6 faces instead of 4

gww687

4/21/21 5:49pm

Why don't we go with nine faces

Wingnut

4/21/21 5:55pm

No No No, 11 play the game, 11 are on the mountain. Who destroyed Texas twice?

nybyblue

4/21/21 5:58pm

Beck and Marc Wilson are not ahead of Z. Wilson

BlackBart

4/21/21 5:51pm

Beating Utah should also be a requirement.

fudgers

4/21/21 5:54pm

This is a silly and unfair measurement

deliciousmocha

4/21/21 8:51pm

Just was about to type this. Greats beat Utah. He never did.

P-Widdy

4/21/21 8:55pm

Utah was not the power in Young, McMahon and Detmer's day that it was in Zach's.

Forzaitalia

4/21/21 10:23pm

Apples and oranges with the QBs from **checks notes** ~40 years ago

DanSmith

4/21/21 6:06pm

I haven’t given it a ton of thought but ZW needed more meaningful wins for me

climps

4/21/21 6:11pm

No one else beat Tennessee at Knoxville

kiyoshige

4/21/21 6:18pm

Tennessee?

cougssu

4/21/21 6:38pm

Boise State is still picking pieces of the blue turf out of their ears.

Y05

4/22/21 7:48pm

Covid. Nuff said.

MrClark

4/21/21 6:51pm

ZW is probably the most talented QB in BYU history. But he isn't the most

mudpupper

4/21/21 7:59pm

No kidding. Like him, but good grief the overhype is at Provo levels with ZW.

dccoug

4/21/21 8:50pm

I bet that the vast majority of those saying ZW deserves to be in the top 4 are

BleedCougarBlue2

4/21/21 9:04pm

Even more that never saw Marc Wilson, or Virgil Carter throwing to Phil Odle

AF Cougar

4/21/21 9:30pm

I’m 41 but didn’t get into football until Sarkisian....

ByuImaginesDragons

4/21/21 9:48pm

Max was great in many ways, but if he had Wilson's talent

SinkingQuffa

4/21/21 10:18pm

Ummm, he won more games than any other QB in BYU history.

gww687

4/21/21 10:28pm

Did anything I say suggest I don't accept or honor that record & great career?

SinkingQuffa

4/21/21 10:44pm

*The team won... If you want to compare a QB to another QB, you have to take into account supporting cast, opponent,

mvtoro

4/22/21 12:43am

Yeah, but there are seven he lost.

All-American

4/23/21 1:09pm

Steve Sarkisian, Doman would be favorable comparisons for BYU careers

stansburycoug

4/21/21 11:17pm

Sark may be the most underrated of the greats.

lightmann

4/23/21 1:04pm

RE: I hate that you're making me write this.

Pangare

4/22/21 6:46am

Bosco has to make the Rushmore, he won a natty

ZeldaCoug

4/22/21 7:50am

His season was an all-timer, not his career.

'69chevy

4/22/21 9:42am

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