Top one? He didn't win any awards. He didn't really win anything

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Apr 21, 2021
5:18:22pm

Alpi Gusto Truly Addicted User

Top one? He didn't win any awards. He didn't really win anything

He was an awesome player, I'm not taking anything away from him. But what's his best win? A bad Tennessee? A rebuilding USC (who was playing with their 3rd string QB)? Western Kentucky? Boise State? He didn't really have a signature win. He also didn't win any big awards. He wasn't a Heisman finalist. Wasn't an O'Brien finalist. Wasn't an All-American. I think he's a great player and I hope he's an awesome pro. But he didn't really do anything at BYU.

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I hate that you're making me write this.

Ham

4/21/21 4:53pm

I blame it on Recency Bias.

Y-Zag

4/21/21 4:55pm

I blame it on either Decoy Effect or Gambler's Fallacy

jamalccc

4/21/21 8:37pm

I blame it on not beating Utah

King of Y

4/21/21 11:37pm

Yeah. For those of you so young Max Hall was your childhood icon.

SinkingQuffa

4/22/21 7:35am

agree, wish him absolute best, but that is some tough company

byu1

4/21/21 4:57pm

No records?

cougfanblue

4/21/21 4:58pm

Basing my info on Cougarstats

Ham

4/21/21 5:00pm

That's fine, but there are more QB stats than the 4 they have on there.

cougfanblue

4/21/21 5:02pm

Agreed ... Zach's career stats compare favorably with any of BYU's top QB's

ManicBlue

4/21/21 5:31pm

Top one? That's just not right. Top four, probably not unless he had come back.

4/21/21 5:06pm

You’re saying he’s too good to be considered top 4, because he’s a top-2 draft pick. That’s messed up.

cougfanblue

4/21/21 5:09pm

Look, the guy never beat Utah.

4/21/21 5:33pm

Utah was a high school team compared to where they are now

ManicBlue

4/21/21 5:48pm

Hold on, are you discounting BYU's Heisman winner in an effort to win this

kos

4/21/21 7:06pm

Obviously not discounting the Heisman. smh

ManicBlue

4/21/21 8:17pm

Put Zach in Lavell’s offensive system and he’s all of those things.

cougfanblue

4/21/21 5:52pm

Do you realize how many yards Ty Detmer would have had in 1989 if he

Y05

4/23/21 3:01pm

And soon he’ll have the record for the highest draft spot in BYU history.

cougfanblue

4/21/21 5:07pm

Top one? He didn't win any awards. He didn't really win anything

Alpi Gusto

4/21/21 5:18pm

Yeah, he's not close to top 1.

volleyjiver

4/21/21 5:56pm

Winning awards is an unfair measuring stick now. Non P5 players aren’t winning

DiamondMo

4/21/21 6:15pm

In addition, Zach passed Sark for best career completion percentage too.

ManicBlue

4/21/21 6:40pm

Completion percentage and Y/A have more to do with era than with QB talent

krindorr

4/25/21 11:31am

Agreed. Those records are significant. I'd rate him 4th in that photo. The eye

Forzaitalia

4/21/21 7:42pm

I can't believe you are making me post this:

4/21/21 5:08pm

Maybe not an ‘all-time great’ according to your def. but he is top 2 “best”

Zaphod

4/21/21 5:10pm

Marc Wilson, BYU's first consensus All-American and 2x Super Bowl champ would

Parker Schnabel

4/21/21 5:10pm

Albeit minor roles in those two Super Bowl wins.

lightmann

4/21/21 5:58pm

If you don't beat Utah then you're not top 4

cambo

4/21/21 5:10pm

Please. In the days those guys beat Utah, it was like beating USU now. Which he did. And those are the facts.

4/21/21 5:13pm

Your facts don't negate my facts

cambo

4/21/21 5:18pm

Also, ZW never beat USU either

cambo

4/21/21 5:23pm

Never started against them

4/21/21 5:30pm

Yes, but he never had a season ending injury against them either.

Parker Schnabel

4/21/21 10:38pm

Team accomplishment, sorry.

4/21/21 5:25pm

Did beating Utah make John Beck’s career better?

4/21/21 7:18pm

Agreed. He capitalized on the cards 2020 dealt better than anyone else

LifelongAP

4/21/21 5:12pm

2020 was more like the schedules of the other 3 greats. And his year was best.

4/21/21 5:17pm

Ty beat the #1 team in the country

AF Cougar

4/21/21 8:30pm

Young beat Pac 10 and Rose Bowl champ on the road.

Y05

4/22/21 2:11am

I guess I wasn’t around for some of those guys you mention but...

stenso

4/21/21 5:17pm

*except John Beck. Zach may throw a better ball, but Beck’s motion was just

flyonawall

4/21/21 7:28pm

Your ignorance is so sweet.

4/21/21 5:20pm

Drafted #2 overall seems pretty significant to me.. you can't just discount NFL

GhostRider

4/21/21 5:22pm

Depends. Would you call Ziggy the best defensive player ever at BYU?

Parker Schnabel

4/21/21 10:40pm

I'm not saying it makes him the best QB to play at BYU, but it is significant.

GhostRider

4/22/21 1:31am

Love ZW but you're right and it's a testament to the history of BYU QBs

krindorr

4/21/21 5:27pm

Did you watch this season?

ParentingNotForSissy

4/21/21 5:29pm

My list having watched them all in person except Nielsen and Carter

ManicBlue

4/21/21 5:40pm

you give sark a lot more credit than most, I agree. The 96 team may be best ever

nybyblue

4/21/21 5:50pm

I agree about Steve Young. Take away his NFL career and i don't think people

GhostRider

4/21/21 5:51pm

2nd in the Heisman is pretty elite

stansburycoug

4/22/21 9:12pm

I can get behind this list.

BlackBart

4/21/21 5:52pm

Honestly, growing up as a Utah fan, Sark never impressed or scared me

krindorr

4/21/21 6:12pm

RE: Honestly, growing up as a Utah fan, Sark never impressed or scared me

ManicBlue

4/21/21 6:22pm

Like I said, it could just be bias because of the lens I saw him through

krindorr

4/22/21 7:27am

Sark was definitely not the issue his Sr year.

ManicBlue

4/22/21 3:59pm

Like I said, it was largely a matter of perspective

krindorr

4/22/21 4:23pm

I agree with this list.

cougfanblue

4/21/21 6:33pm

Young was a better pro than college, but still top 3, maybe 2.

ochobeeguy

4/21/21 7:08pm

That’s true, but only because he was one of the best pro QBs ever from any school. He was still amazing in college. Only

mvtoro

4/22/21 2:05pm

Nope, Marc Wilson was not #9

AF Cougar

4/21/21 8:33pm

Your list?

ManicBlue

4/22/21 12:35am

Pretty decent list. But beck was better than hall IMO and Sark, Marc, and Young

4/22/21 12:11am

Maybe the answer is to make BYU QB Mt Rushmore 6 faces instead of 4

gww687

4/21/21 5:49pm

Why don't we go with nine faces

Wingnut

4/21/21 5:55pm

No No No, 11 play the game, 11 are on the mountain. Who destroyed Texas twice?

nybyblue

4/21/21 5:58pm

Beck and Marc Wilson are not ahead of Z. Wilson

BlackBart

4/21/21 5:51pm

Beating Utah should also be a requirement.

fudgers

4/21/21 5:54pm

This is a silly and unfair measurement

4/21/21 8:51pm

Just was about to type this. Greats beat Utah. He never did.

P-Widdy

4/21/21 8:55pm

Utah was not the power in Young, McMahon and Detmer's day that it was in Zach's.

Forzaitalia

4/21/21 10:23pm

Apples and oranges with the QBs from **checks notes** ~40 years ago

DanSmith

4/21/21 6:06pm

I haven’t given it a ton of thought but ZW needed more meaningful wins for me

climps

4/21/21 6:11pm

No one else beat Tennessee at Knoxville

kiyoshige

4/21/21 6:18pm

Tennessee?

cougssu

4/21/21 6:38pm

Boise State is still picking pieces of the blue turf out of their ears.

Y05

4/22/21 7:48pm

Covid. Nuff said.

MrClark

4/21/21 6:51pm

ZW is probably the most talented QB in BYU history. But he isn't the most

mudpupper

4/21/21 7:59pm

No kidding. Like him, but good grief the overhype is at Provo levels with ZW.

dccoug

4/21/21 8:50pm

I bet that the vast majority of those saying ZW deserves to be in the top 4 are

BleedCougarBlue2

4/21/21 9:04pm

Even more that never saw Marc Wilson, or Virgil Carter throwing to Phil Odle

AF Cougar

4/21/21 9:30pm

I’m 41 but didn’t get into football until Sarkisian....

ByuImaginesDragons

4/21/21 9:48pm

Max was great in many ways, but if he had Wilson's talent

SinkingQuffa

4/21/21 10:18pm

Ummm, he won more games than any other QB in BYU history.

gww687

4/21/21 10:28pm

Did anything I say suggest I don't accept or honor that record & great career?

SinkingQuffa

4/21/21 10:44pm

*The team won... If you want to compare a QB to another QB, you have to take into account supporting cast, opponent,

mvtoro

4/22/21 12:43am

Yeah, but there are seven he lost.

4/23/21 1:09pm

Steve Sarkisian, Doman would be favorable comparisons for BYU careers

stansburycoug

4/21/21 11:17pm

Sark may be the most underrated of the greats.

lightmann

4/23/21 1:04pm

RE: I hate that you're making me write this.

Pangare

4/22/21 6:46am

Bosco has to make the Rushmore, he won a natty

ZeldaCoug

4/22/21 7:50am

His season was an all-timer, not his career.

'69chevy

4/22/21 9:42am

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