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Anyone else feel like the Pac 12 is kinda slowly dying? I mean I don’t know
brazilcoug
11/14/21 9:48pm
Yes. It’s plainly obvious. It’s a dying league.
YIsForBrigham
11/14/21 9:50pm
Conference.
Tsisquan
11/15/21 8:50am
Conference of HasBeens
JupiterJones
11/15/21 9:52am
Yes, you are right, left coast politics & changing demographics are slowly (and
WIGGIN
11/14/21 9:50pm
Agree, the civilization is quickly changing, and to a degree down in Austin Texa
Traveller 1968
11/14/21 10:37pm
Cycles. A short time ago the b12 was gonna disband.
johnnycarson
11/14/21 9:50pm
Yeah, but the slow decline of the P12 will continue. SEC and actually the new
WIGGIN
11/14/21 9:52pm
I don’t think the two are comparable
Spocougar
11/14/21 9:53pm
Texas caused the instability in the Big12
BYU-Laie
11/15/21 1:36am
Yep actually shocked how fas it has dropped. Stanford went from a respectable
johnnybyu
11/14/21 9:51pm
True, but hasn't Stanford HISTORICALLY been a pile of 💩💩💩?
TrueBlue67
11/15/21 5:17am
Woke politics will continue to strangle that league into irrelevance.
Bo Dagget
11/14/21 9:53pm
Beautifully ironic that the culture that has kept us out is what will kill it.
gwalker
11/14/21 9:55pm
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Six Foot Seven
11/15/21 8:16am
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Six Foot Seven
11/15/21 8:16am
Utah might end up as one of the strongest P12 programs...just by the fact that
WIGGIN
11/14/21 9:56pm
What would be ironic/comical is if the PAC10.2's demise drives the AZ schools
TrueBlue67
11/15/21 5:19am
I think this is confirmation bias from people who care too much about politics.
Memmo
11/14/21 9:58pm
The attendance problems are much worse than they have ever been. They are
johnnybyu
11/14/21 10:08pm
This might be true. Attendance is down across all sports on the West coast.
Memmo
11/14/21 10:29pm
Football runs things. And football is a South thing.
johnnycarson
11/14/21 10:31pm
Apparently you do not understand the history of the Rose Bowl and Route 66 😃
Traveller 1968
11/14/21 10:42pm
Yeah I’m just saying that all sports attendance, pro and college is way off
Memmo
11/14/21 11:08pm
Sports fans usually are conservative republicans
BradioHead
11/15/21 10:45am
This is probably true to an extent
Memmo
11/15/21 11:55am
I’m very much enjoying it. Down with them.
LaVellIfIKnow
11/14/21 9:59pm
Unfortunately no. People still love sports more than they should and once the ebb becomes a flow they'll be fine.
shimmy
11/14/21 10:00pm
But how many of the current students at P12 institutions will continue to identify with their school through sports?
kccougar
11/14/21 10:03pm
not significantly less than the past in my opinion.
shimmy
11/14/21 10:10pm
Not sure pac 12 has never had attendance issues like this. The pac 12 network
johnnybyu
11/14/21 10:09pm
Definitely need a new TV deal. I'd love the PAC 12 to die. I hope it does. I'm not optimistic about it happening.
shimmy
11/14/21 10:11pm
How will a new TV deal help? Will there suddenly be a big step up in interest in watching PAC12 football games (that
dilbert
11/14/21 10:34pm
Being on more TVs is a good thing. Maybe I'm wrong and the PAC 12 is now the MWC 2.0 and going to die any day.
shimmy
11/14/21 11:00pm
Best option is for Utah to go back to the Mountain West
Mike Bolton
11/14/21 10:01pm
That is so rich after listening to Yewt fans for the past 10 years telling BYU..
BYU Grounds
11/15/21 10:08am
Oregon/USC etc jumping ship for the Big 10 would be bad for Utah, but also for college football and for BYU
krindorr
11/15/21 10:29am
I think it’s going that way, however the PAC 12
Chazz Reinhold
11/14/21 10:02pm
If Bill Walton has his way...
crack
11/14/21 10:16pm
Woke 12 overall is just not that interested in football. They'll always sponsor
Schrodizzy
11/14/21 10:53pm
Conference of woke-inships.
Samsonite
11/14/21 10:02pm
#ConferenceOfFormerChampions
BlooCoog
11/14/21 10:05pm
I wonder how Oregon will do after Phil Knight dies. Right now they depend on
crack
11/14/21 10:13pm
Uncle Phil has given $1.5 Billion so far to the Univ of Oregon, and....
quackaddict
11/14/21 11:04pm
When Uncle Phil dies, he will leave the last of his money as an endowment to the
BYU Grounds
11/15/21 10:10am
The focus on academics makes it tough as football/bball grow more competitive
dchandle15
11/14/21 10:15pm
Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t see this correlation at all. Not to mention, doesn’t the Big 10 and ACC also
Zach Morris
11/14/21 10:43pm
There is more of an emphasis on academics in the PAC-12 for sure
CougarGregor
11/14/21 11:46pm
Big 10 and PAC12 are the strongest academic conferences; ACC maybe slightly behind
krindorr
11/15/21 6:07am
Yes. Been saying it for years.
(Private)
11/14/21 10:21pm
Kinda seems like it but hard to say
TNT
11/14/21 10:25pm
Started by losing in expansion and has accelerated overtime due to political
BYUFam1
11/14/21 10:44pm
Laughable the Texas and OU ever considered the pac 12. Pac 12 not even on their
johnnybyu
11/14/21 11:19pm
Not sure they ever considered PAC 12. They were approached by Scott but highly
Soy Celeste
11/15/21 3:26am
They’ll be fine - everything is cyclical.
truecougster
11/14/21 11:10pm
Yes. In football. In everything else they will be good.
idacoug
11/14/21 11:36pm
The pac-12 has terrible football coaching
CougarGregor
11/14/21 11:44pm
In a part of the country that denies and decries masculinity
Punk Philosopher
11/15/21 12:38am
BYU fan confirmation bias. Oregon is #3 in FB and UCLA is #2 in bball.
TFL
11/15/21 1:04am
Unfortunately there’s more than one or two teams in a conference
Punk Philosopher
11/15/21 1:46am
That’s the whole point. Look at the history
TFL
11/15/21 1:57am
Metrics show BYU fan perception is closer to reality
Little Mac
11/15/21 2:40am
See my post above...I have lived in P12 country my whole life (minus my mission
Punk Philosopher
11/15/21 12:07pm
Greatly exaggerated. Recency bias. They will be fine. The west is desirable.
grosven
11/15/21 5:27am
While the Pac is weaker than normal, let's not pretend that it is dying.
Hotlanta
11/15/21 7:17am
Like a struggling business with decreasing market share, revenues and value...
Katewot
11/15/21 7:35am
It is exactly what it is. And they think they are going to get a B10 kind of
Nat Gas Man
11/15/21 7:56am
Anything "Woke" goes to Crap.
Zoobieman
11/15/21 7:54am
Given that you learned the word woke in the last few years and are using Cal’s
Memmo
11/15/21 8:24am
You mean to tell me there isn't a direct link between wokeness and winning NCs?
Hotlanta
11/15/21 8:33am
Cal Berkeley has been woke for 4 decades.
Zoobieman
11/15/21 8:42am
I don't think so, but they do have an attendance/enthusiasm issue that will
thewaterboy
11/15/21 10:07am
slowly??
Hill4Heisman
11/15/21 10:20am
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