Cycles. A short time ago the b12 was gonna disband.

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Nov 14, 2021
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Anyone else feel like the Pac 12 is kinda slowly dying? I mean I don’t know

brazilcoug

11/14/21 9:48pm

Yes. It’s plainly obvious. It’s a dying league.

YIsForBrigham

11/14/21 9:50pm

Conference.

Tsisquan

11/15/21 8:50am

Conference of HasBeens

JupiterJones

11/15/21 9:52am

Yes, you are right, left coast politics & changing demographics are slowly (and

WIGGIN

11/14/21 9:50pm

Agree, the civilization is quickly changing, and to a degree down in Austin Texa

Traveller 1968

11/14/21 10:37pm

Cycles. A short time ago the b12 was gonna disband.

johnnycarson

11/14/21 9:50pm

Yeah, but the slow decline of the P12 will continue. SEC and actually the new

WIGGIN

11/14/21 9:52pm

I don’t think the two are comparable

Spocougar

11/14/21 9:53pm

Texas caused the instability in the Big12

BYU-Laie

11/15/21 1:36am

Yep actually shocked how fas it has dropped. Stanford went from a respectable

johnnybyu

11/14/21 9:51pm

True, but hasn't Stanford HISTORICALLY been a pile of 💩💩💩?

TrueBlue67

11/15/21 5:17am

Woke politics will continue to strangle that league into irrelevance.

Bo Dagget

11/14/21 9:53pm

Beautifully ironic that the culture that has kept us out is what will kill it.

gwalker

11/14/21 9:55pm

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Six Foot Seven

11/15/21 8:16am

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Six Foot Seven

11/15/21 8:16am

Utah might end up as one of the strongest P12 programs...just by the fact that

WIGGIN

11/14/21 9:56pm

What would be ironic/comical is if the PAC10.2's demise drives the AZ schools

TrueBlue67

11/15/21 5:19am

I think this is confirmation bias from people who care too much about politics.

Memmo

11/14/21 9:58pm

The attendance problems are much worse than they have ever been. They are

johnnybyu

11/14/21 10:08pm

This might be true. Attendance is down across all sports on the West coast.

Memmo

11/14/21 10:29pm

Football runs things. And football is a South thing.

johnnycarson

11/14/21 10:31pm

Apparently you do not understand the history of the Rose Bowl and Route 66 😃

Traveller 1968

11/14/21 10:42pm

Yeah I’m just saying that all sports attendance, pro and college is way off

Memmo

11/14/21 11:08pm

Sports fans usually are conservative republicans

BradioHead

11/15/21 10:45am

This is probably true to an extent

Memmo

11/15/21 11:55am

I’m very much enjoying it. Down with them.

LaVellIfIKnow

11/14/21 9:59pm

Unfortunately no. People still love sports more than they should and once the ebb becomes a flow they'll be fine.

shimmy

11/14/21 10:00pm

But how many of the current students at P12 institutions will continue to identify with their school through sports?

kccougar

11/14/21 10:03pm

not significantly less than the past in my opinion.

shimmy

11/14/21 10:10pm

Not sure pac 12 has never had attendance issues like this. The pac 12 network

johnnybyu

11/14/21 10:09pm

Definitely need a new TV deal. I'd love the PAC 12 to die. I hope it does. I'm not optimistic about it happening.

shimmy

11/14/21 10:11pm

How will a new TV deal help? Will there suddenly be a big step up in interest in watching PAC12 football games (that

dilbert

11/14/21 10:34pm

Being on more TVs is a good thing. Maybe I'm wrong and the PAC 12 is now the MWC 2.0 and going to die any day.

shimmy

11/14/21 11:00pm

Best option is for Utah to go back to the Mountain West

Mike Bolton

11/14/21 10:01pm

That is so rich after listening to Yewt fans for the past 10 years telling BYU..

BYU Grounds

11/15/21 10:08am

Oregon/USC etc jumping ship for the Big 10 would be bad for Utah, but also for college football and for BYU

krindorr

11/15/21 10:29am

I think it’s going that way, however the PAC 12

Chazz Reinhold

11/14/21 10:02pm

If Bill Walton has his way...

crack

11/14/21 10:16pm

Woke 12 overall is just not that interested in football. They'll always sponsor

Schrodizzy

11/14/21 10:53pm

Conference of woke-inships.

Samsonite

11/14/21 10:02pm

#ConferenceOfFormerChampions

BlooCoog

11/14/21 10:05pm

I wonder how Oregon will do after Phil Knight dies. Right now they depend on

crack

11/14/21 10:13pm

Uncle Phil has given $1.5 Billion so far to the Univ of Oregon, and....

quackaddict

11/14/21 11:04pm

When Uncle Phil dies, he will leave the last of his money as an endowment to the

BYU Grounds

11/15/21 10:10am

The focus on academics makes it tough as football/bball grow more competitive

dchandle15

11/14/21 10:15pm

Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t see this correlation at all. Not to mention, doesn’t the Big 10 and ACC also

Zach Morris

11/14/21 10:43pm

There is more of an emphasis on academics in the PAC-12 for sure

CougarGregor

11/14/21 11:46pm

Big 10 and PAC12 are the strongest academic conferences; ACC maybe slightly behind

krindorr

11/15/21 6:07am

Yes. Been saying it for years.

(Private)

11/14/21 10:21pm

Kinda seems like it but hard to say

TNT

11/14/21 10:25pm

Started by losing in expansion and has accelerated overtime due to political

BYUFam1

11/14/21 10:44pm

Laughable the Texas and OU ever considered the pac 12. Pac 12 not even on their

johnnybyu

11/14/21 11:19pm

Not sure they ever considered PAC 12. They were approached by Scott but highly

Soy Celeste

11/15/21 3:26am

They’ll be fine - everything is cyclical.

truecougster

11/14/21 11:10pm

Yes. In football. In everything else they will be good.

idacoug

11/14/21 11:36pm

The pac-12 has terrible football coaching

CougarGregor

11/14/21 11:44pm

In a part of the country that denies and decries masculinity

Punk Philosopher

11/15/21 12:38am

BYU fan confirmation bias. Oregon is #3 in FB and UCLA is #2 in bball.

TFL

11/15/21 1:04am

Unfortunately there’s more than one or two teams in a conference

Punk Philosopher

11/15/21 1:46am

That’s the whole point. Look at the history

TFL

11/15/21 1:57am

Metrics show BYU fan perception is closer to reality

Little Mac

11/15/21 2:40am

See my post above...I have lived in P12 country my whole life (minus my mission

Punk Philosopher

11/15/21 12:07pm

Greatly exaggerated. Recency bias. They will be fine. The west is desirable.

grosven

11/15/21 5:27am

While the Pac is weaker than normal, let's not pretend that it is dying.

Hotlanta

11/15/21 7:17am

Like a struggling business with decreasing market share, revenues and value...

Katewot

11/15/21 7:35am

It is exactly what it is. And they think they are going to get a B10 kind of

Nat Gas Man

11/15/21 7:56am

Anything "Woke" goes to Crap.

Zoobieman

11/15/21 7:54am

Given that you learned the word woke in the last few years and are using Cal’s

Memmo

11/15/21 8:24am

You mean to tell me there isn't a direct link between wokeness and winning NCs?

Hotlanta

11/15/21 8:33am

Cal Berkeley has been woke for 4 decades.

Zoobieman

11/15/21 8:42am

I don't think so, but they do have an attendance/enthusiasm issue that will

thewaterboy

11/15/21 10:07am

slowly??

Hill4Heisman

11/15/21 10:20am

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