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May 23, 2022
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letthewookieewin
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Rising is a mediocre QB that’s benefiting from a massively over ranked Utah. Will he be good? Yeah. Will Utah
likely be top 25? Probably. But Rising is not a top 25 QB in college.
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Jaren Hall doesn't make 247 sports top 25 QBs for 2022.
Kajdin
5/23/22 1:06pm
Cam Rising coming in at 13. Lol
LiveCoug
5/23/22 1:08pm
According to 1280’s unrivaled guys, he is the undisputed best player in the state.
Viva Campeche
5/23/22 1:10pm
I heard that too. They are nuts. He's not even the best on his own team. Tavion
CopperLix
5/23/22 1:16pm
I would also put Kuithe ahead of him.
Viva Campeche
5/23/22 1:21pm
And Kincaid
Sir_Ten
5/23/22 2:00pm
Unrivaled is the weakest link on 1280 by a wide margin
BrutustheBrash
5/23/22 2:27pm
about as wide as one of the hosts
RealSimsShadY
5/23/22 3:12pm
Why the LOL. I think Cam and Jaren are both going to play great this year
Medute
5/23/22 1:11pm
I wrote "LOL" because when I saw cam Rising at 13, I laughed out loud.
LiveCoug
5/23/22 1:12pm
Great dialogue. I’ll try an easier question for you. What’s so funny about it?
Medute
5/23/22 1:15pm
Cam being 13 with Jaren nowhere in the top 25 is what's funny. Cam is a fine QB
LiveCoug
5/23/22 1:16pm
Jaren should absolutely be top 25. I think he could be a 1st round pick
Medute
5/23/22 1:34pm
Not if he keeps underthrowing wrs.
CarolinaCoug
5/23/22 2:33pm
*intentionally
mvtoro
5/23/22 4:50pm
AMAZING!
kalifi
5/23/22 6:40pm
He’s certainly top-13 at throwing 7-yard passes.
rivercitycoug
5/23/22 1:20pm
Cam is good, but overrated. Jaren is at least as good, if not better.
CopperLix
5/23/22 1:21pm
Was it the offense and rising who struggled vs TOSU ? Or Bernard playing cb?
CarolinaCoug
5/23/22 1:24pm
Not sure why you are asking me
LiveCoug
5/23/22 1:25pm
Rising is a mediocre QB that’s benefiting from a massively over ranked Utah. Will he be good? Yeah. Will Utah
letthewookieewin
5/23/22 1:16pm
Hmmm, your opinion or Mel Kiper/someone who evals QBs for a living?
Medute
5/23/22 1:18pm
bwahahaha ... using Kiper as your 'expert' opinion
ManicBlue
5/23/22 1:20pm
Ask John Walsh what he thinks of Kiper's expert opinion now
2FarGone
5/23/22 1:21pm
Mel Kiper seems to be wrong more than he is right. I haven't ever seen Rising
crack
5/23/22 1:21pm
I think some of us may have trouble comparing the two because of the talent gap.
Belboz
5/23/22 1:44pm
I’m fine with him being top 15. It’s an LOL because him and Hall are very comparable players as far as top whatever goes
Viva Campeche
5/23/22 1:20pm
Because anyone ranking him ahead of Hall has zero idea what they’re doing
LaVellIfIKnow
5/23/22 1:22pm
Jaren was the better QB last year and he will again be the better QB this year. This isn't hard.
kimdaddy35
5/23/22 1:32pm
Not sure I agree. Hall had a plethora of riches to target and a better O-line
Medute
5/23/22 1:38pm
A run heavy offense makes it a whole lot easier on the QB. Funny how well Wes Welker did with Tom Brady
kimdaddy35
5/23/22 1:44pm
And Rising was very good
Medute
5/23/22 1:50pm
Almost identical? Surely you jest. He averaged an additional yard per attempt.
kimdaddy35
5/23/22 2:30pm
1.2 YPA difference is the only stat that really has any separation
Medute
5/23/22 2:39pm
That is a big separation. Hall threw 24 less passes and yet had more yards. It is easy to say that was due
kimdaddy35
5/23/22 2:47pm
It’s silly to look at those numbers and not consider offensive style/personnel
Medute
5/23/22 3:02pm
And yet you don't seem to think that being a run first team and making easy throws is an advantage
kimdaddy35
5/23/22 3:05pm
Trust me, I’ve watched QBs squander in this supposedly easy throw offense
Medute
5/23/22 3:13pm
Not to mention SOS. Sagarin had Utah at 33 and BYU at 63.
Scratch
5/23/22 3:18pm
It is true, Jaren got to beat up on the likes of Utah, USC, Washington St, Arizona St, Arizona
kimdaddy35
5/23/22 3:34pm
Yep, so a lot of similar teams as Rising, only the Rising also played additional
Scratch
5/23/22 3:45pm
And by the way, I'm not saying this to criticize Hall. He's great and is
Scratch
5/23/22 3:47pm
If you were to put Hall's SOS it would be much closer than it is
kimdaddy35
5/23/22 4:01pm
Has nothing to do with Rising and everything to do with personnel
Medute
5/23/22 4:10pm
Agree to disagree
kimdaddy35
5/23/22 4:12pm
In fairness, both teams were run-first last year
krindorr
5/23/22 4:12pm
That is a chicken/egg comparison. Did Allgeier dominate because we were ahead? Certainly he gets more carries when
kimdaddy35
5/23/22 4:15pm
When Hall threw over 30 passes BYU was 2-2. And Rising's 30+ passes against
Scratch
5/23/22 4:18pm
BYU was 3-2 when Hall threw 30 passes or more which is the exact metric we used for Rising
kimdaddy35
5/23/22 4:22pm
If that's the metric you used then you were wrong, because Utah was 2-2 in games
Scratch
5/23/22 4:38pm
Rising couldn't depend on the rest of his roster like Hall could. Talent gap.
Belboz
5/23/22 4:41pm
And P.S., Rising came in the game with 5:00 left in the 3rd quarter with Utah
Scratch
5/23/22 4:44pm
I think you are forgetting QBR
slatecoug
5/23/22 8:34pm
I really liked the three 6’5” All American caliber TE’s as being the best
Bullrider
5/23/22 4:27pm
BYU has had a significant advantage in overall talent for the past 2 seasons.
Belboz
5/23/22 4:40pm
I expect him to be better than Jaren, I'll admit.
SinkingQuffa
5/23/22 1:14pm
Hall is more polished than Rising. Hall issues is health. Has to stay injury free.
Turnpike Lane
5/23/22 1:16pm
I wish I could agree. Rising looked more accurate & better at seeing the field.
SinkingQuffa
5/23/22 1:19pm
Hall PER was 10 pts better. Rising QBR 6 pts better.
Turnpike Lane
5/23/22 1:23pm
And Rising’s tight ends didn’t make him look better?
Viva Campeche
5/23/22 1:24pm
Honest question; have you looked at the numbers?
slatecoug
5/23/22 1:44pm
Jaren's WRs were a HUGE boon to him.
SinkingQuffa
5/23/22 2:30pm
Somewhat true
I'mBatman
5/23/22 3:36pm
They're honestly closer than most on this board would admit, but Hall is also clearly ahead
krindorr
5/23/22 1:38pm
Sometimes statistics don’t tell the whole story
Medute
5/23/22 1:45pm
is the #1 rated QB in the conference like being the biggest turd in yard full of them?
kimdaddy35
5/23/22 1:47pm
There's a reason I didn't criticize Rising
krindorr
5/23/22 1:49pm
What stats specifically are you referencing that give a clear advantage to Hall?
Medute
5/23/22 2:21pm
Mostly Y/A and AY/A
krindorr
5/23/22 2:28pm
But are those simply a reflection of who is targeted?
Medute
5/23/22 2:41pm
That's fair, but if Rising is making 'easier' throws, then he should complete a higher percentage
krindorr
5/23/22 2:48pm
You only prioritize longer throws if you have the guys to catch them
Medute
5/23/22 3:05pm
Like I said, I'm not criticizing Cam Rising at all
krindorr
5/23/22 3:37pm
So stupid
LaVellIfIKnow
5/23/22 1:20pm
at least his description "Pac-12 quarterback ranking: No. 2" is descriptive.
Pangare
5/23/22 2:27pm
Rising is good, but I'll take Jaren. Just shows what playing in a NY6 game can
Forzaitalia
5/23/22 2:58pm
Shocked by this. I figured he'd be top 5 for sure.
lbmango
5/23/22 4:53pm
Underdog status again. I love it.
Archaea
5/23/22 1:08pm
RE: Jaren Hall doesn't make 247 sports top 25 QBs for 2022.
Scratch
5/23/22 1:18pm
Good. Go prove them wrong Jaren!
PJMort
5/23/22 1:22pm
RE: Jaren Hall doesn't make 247 sports top 25 QBs for 2022.
2FarGone
5/23/22 1:22pm
I don't watch a bunch of college football outside of BYU. How many of the 25 on
crack
5/23/22 1:46pm
Looks like we'll only face one QB on that list next year. 5. KJ JEFFERSON, ARKANSAS
ManicBlue
5/23/22 1:47pm
He’s very overrated in these circles. He can be solid. We need solid.
dixieutahbyuzag
5/23/22 2:34pm
As a Ute fan - I'm surprised.
ImaFBfan
5/23/22 2:58pm
RE: Jaren Hall doesn't make 247 sports top 25 QBs for 2022.
Big-Q
5/23/22 3:12pm
DJU makes the list? Seriously? He's been borderline bad
Hotlanta
5/23/22 3:13pm
He also makes a bunch of top 5 lists for 2023 NFL draft QB prospects
krindorr
5/23/22 3:51pm
RE: Jaren Hall doesn't make 247 sports top 25 QBs for 2022.
imdocrob
5/23/22 4:06pm
Pretty easy to rank him above some of those guys.
Socrates Johnson
5/23/22 4:32pm
Good. High PRESEASON personal rankings is the worst distraction.
Happy As Larry
5/23/22 6:19pm
Terrible review - at least half of these QBs
DCCougFan
5/23/22 7:29pm
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