So you’re saying you agree then that byu chose to remain independent?

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Aug 20, 2018
7:25:33pm

Zach Morris True Liberal

That’s what your entire post just said.

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October 11th 2011. “..BYU is no longer a candidate to join the Big 12 because BYU wants to remain Independent”.

Zach Morris True Liberal

8/20/18 6:42pm

That’s the cover story, not necessarily the truth

Cougarclaw

8/20/18 6:44pm

What was the truth then?

Zach Morris

8/20/18 6:46pm

I wasn't there, but when dealing with a bunch of face-saving ninnies

Cougarclaw

8/20/18 7:14pm

Wow. That's a pretty short sided opinion

TNT

8/20/18 7:17pm

So you’re saying you agree then that byu chose to remain independent?

Zach Morris

8/20/18 7:25pm

RE: I wasn't there, but when dealing with a bunch of face-saving ninnies

AFCougK9

8/20/18 7:29pm

Give me a G5 conference with Kansas and Iowa dredges....

Coug

8/20/18 8:15pm

Why would they join any conference without provisions

antiyewt

8/20/18 8:49pm

And that's exactly the type of attitude that kept BYU out

TNT

8/20/18 8:57pm

I don’t think so

antiyewt

8/20/18 9:07pm

Very well could be

TNT

8/20/18 9:09pm

So many bad takes today...

dYrtbYkerYder

8/20/18 10:21pm

Um, really? What happened to the BCS schools in the Big East?

Benfica1

8/20/18 9:25pm

No just piecing things together. There are clues throughout

TNT

8/20/18 9:27pm

You wouldn't rather be in a conference with KU, KSt, TT, Baylor, and Iowa St?

dYrtbYkerYder

8/20/18 10:26pm

Maybe. Only TT was good at football at the time.

Benfica1

8/21/18 1:38pm

In 2011? K-State and Baylor both finished Top 15. In 2012 KSU got up to #2.

dYrtbYkerYder

8/21/18 2:00pm

I looked at 2010 - 7 wins for TT and KST and Baylor.

Benfica1

8/21/18 2:14pm

Missing on the Big XII opportunity is the single worst thing

Hoax

8/20/18 6:45pm

It's bad unfortunately

TNT

8/20/18 6:47pm

Complete mismanagement of a golden opportunity.

Zach Morris

8/20/18 6:48pm

No HD? *bursts into tears*

TNT

8/20/18 6:50pm

Actually this analogy makes a lot of sense

TNT

8/20/18 6:52pm

100% correct, TH legacy... I'll never understand how he gets a pass from BYU

blackshirts

8/20/18 8:35pm

I agree Indy does kinda suck.

antiyewt

8/20/18 8:53pm

Why is this holmoe’s fault. From all tidbits of information, sounds like it was

idacoug

8/20/18 10:12pm

If it's above the Athletic Director pay grade to direct BYU sports than why have

blackshirts

8/20/18 10:30pm

Name me a school where the Ad makes the conference alignment decisions

CougarThug

8/20/18 11:42pm

I'd say almost every big time AD is at least deeply involved if not guiding the

blackshirts

8/21/18 8:57pm

Going Indy as a Knee jerk reaction to Utah going p12 was the second

franklyvulgar

8/20/18 11:24pm

Sounds like trying to control the narrative

RedlandsCoug

8/20/18 6:47pm

What are the possible alternatives?

Zach Morris

8/20/18 6:49pm

The only possible alternative many want to believe is there was never an “invitation”....

Bonoman

8/20/18 6:58pm

I agree there was interest. I don’t know if that ended with a formal invite.

RedlandsCoug

8/20/18 9:40pm

RE: I agree there was interest. I don’t know if that ended with a formal invite.

Zach Morris

8/20/18 9:45pm

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RedlandsCoug

8/20/18 9:49pm

RE: October 11th 2011. “..BYU is no longer a candidate to join the Big 12

Borg

8/20/18 6:49pm

Someone must be blamed! Total lack of evidence is proof of the conspiracy!

boyblue

8/20/18 6:50pm

Tom dedicated almost the entire byu Oregon State halftime to a special

Zach Morris

8/20/18 6:54pm

You mean when he repeatedly said that BYU was never invited to the Big12? This is your evidence, right?

boyblue

8/20/18 7:00pm

TNT absolutely believes an official invite was never extended

TNT

8/20/18 7:01pm

I don't think BYU walked away from negotiations, I think the big12 went after bigger fish

boyblue

8/20/18 7:35pm

Bigger fish? TCU and West Virginia are bigger fish?

TNT

8/20/18 7:36pm

No, I think they wanted to go after fsu and Clemson

boyblue

8/20/18 7:40pm

Or TCU/WVU make sense cause it was apparent that byu wasn’t budging.

Zach Morris

8/20/18 7:55pm

The absolutely offered the biggest bribes. Yes.

Lance71

8/20/18 9:27pm

Everyone knows that an actual invite comes after negotiations and informal agreements

Zach Morris

8/20/18 7:04pm

The recent articles outlining the UU’s negotiations with the PAC 10

Everyman

8/20/18 7:11pm

Instead of just assuming incompetence, lets hearken back to those days

boyblue

8/20/18 7:25pm

Yes but the whole point is you don't take TCU and WV over BYU

TNT

8/20/18 7:58pm

TCU because of Texas, and WVU was a P6 program and the big 12 wanted to go east

boyblue

8/20/18 8:25pm

I know people get mad when I say it but I still blame Holding Your Breath

jkccoug

8/20/18 6:54pm

Special = arrogant....it’s worked out well. 😉

Bonoman

8/20/18 7:00pm

^ This!

antiyewt

8/20/18 8:58pm

Yup, this is it!

ABCoug

8/20/18 9:24pm

Samuelson is a Ute- always has been, always will be

1984coug

8/20/18 11:24pm

Oh ye of little faith

Heavily MeDeekated

8/20/18 7:00pm

Yeesh. TNT paid the donor fee. What more do you want?

TNT

8/20/18 7:01pm

BYU was told they must be willing to play on Sunday, BYU is sponsored by....

Thunderdome

8/20/18 7:17pm

Link?

SandYFan

8/20/18 7:18pm

That doesn't make sense either

TNT

8/20/18 7:19pm

They were in discussions for months and they finally all realized

Zach Morris

8/20/18 7:28pm

You really think the Big12 was all set to change championships in 7 sports off

NewMexiCoug

8/20/18 8:56pm

Let’s say what you’re suggesting is 100% accurate. So why then discuss this for several months if this was a deal

Zach Morris

8/20/18 9:02pm

Good points. Football-only or partial membership must have been in play.

NewMexiCoug

8/20/18 9:06pm

I believe when the big 12 lost all those members and they were borderline destroyed

Zach Morris

8/20/18 9:11pm

Disagree, I think it was BYU going in arrogant and thinking they could make

blackshirts

8/20/18 8:50pm

Byu screwed up big time. They were in.

idcougarfan

8/20/18 8:01pm

LOL at the Trib quoting Chip Brown

Gustav

8/20/18 8:19pm

Chip Brown was right a lot more than he was wrong; he was the one who broke the

BlooCoog

8/20/18 8:24pm

Tom Holmoe doesn’t hold a big 12 specific interview during halftime

Zach Morris

8/20/18 8:32pm

Could be yes... the other possibility is that he was getting tons of inquiries

BlooCoog

8/20/18 8:46pm

Tom very clearly thanked the Big 12 for keeping their discussions private.

Zach Morris

8/20/18 8:58pm

Chuck Neinas, who was interim Big 12 commissioner at the time,

Everyman

8/20/18 9:07pm

I don’t believe any of the crap the media was dishing back then

Croweater

8/20/18 9:19pm

Agreed. We saw similar crap during the more recent round 2.

CougarThug

8/20/18 11:53pm

Borrowing a couple lines from Bronco’s quote in your narrative....

icecougar

8/21/18 12:10am

I am convinced BYU screwed up. I spent way to much time reading anything I

johnnybyu

8/21/18 12:14am

Exactly. Those of us who have followed this closely know that BYU blew it.

dYrtbYkerYder

8/21/18 12:22am

Pretty good analysis

TNT

8/21/18 8:06am

^This is it^ not much more needs to be said.....

ABCoug

8/21/18 8:30pm

Talk about crying over spilt milk! Let it go people... this milk is beyond sour

Pretorian

8/21/18 6:44am

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