but, NPR gives the history of how the term and usage changed

Apr 19, 2019
4:57:25pm

ElmerAlbert Redshirt Freshman

but, NPR gives the history of how the term and usage changed. Interesting read. Thought you'd just want to know.

Is It Racist To 'Call A Spade A Spade'?

For almost half a millennium, the phrase "call a spade a spade" has served as a demand to "tell it like it is." It is only in the past century that the expression began to acquire a negative, racial overtone.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/19/224183763/is-it-racist-to-call-a-spade-a-spade

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Let's call a spade a spade if Williams doesn't get admitted

RockyBalboa

4/19/19 12:01pm

What is a double minority?

Pimpin4Paradise

4/19/19 12:03pm

Race & religion minority.

soupie

4/19/19 12:03pm

But Mormonism is a minority religion

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 3:57pm

Nice attempt at deflection...OP premise is spot on

CLCougar

4/19/19 4:05pm

It was a joke.

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 4:08pm

Maybe I've read too many of other posts

CLCougar

4/19/19 4:10pm

of my other posts?

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 4:11pm

But no less true

Pretorian

4/19/19 7:04pm

Right?

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 7:07pm

He was recruited (and admitted) by an SEC school and enjoys strawberry Poptarts

RyneK

4/19/19 12:04pm

I agree that it will reflect poorly...

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 4:17pm

No one will even care outside of CB.

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:03pm

Future recruiting targets - esp grad transfer ones - might.

unctoothman

4/19/19 12:05pm

Coaches BYU is recruiting against will make sure they know about it.

Eddie

4/19/19 12:05pm

Yup. Perception matters. The church, but not all of the BYU admin, gets that.

unctoothman

4/19/19 12:07pm

Some in church sometimes get it

bruincoug

4/19/19 12:08pm

I had a former director of PR for the LDS Church as a teacher. I wouldn't say

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 4:11pm

I'm shook. If future grad transfers can't hack it as a BYU grad student, I'm

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:08pm

*shaken

foofcoug

4/19/19 12:10pm

All the kids are saying it.

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:11pm

RE: All the kids are saying it.

Fatalplacebo

4/19/19 12:13pm

Grad admissions standards don't equate to "can/Can't hack it".

unctoothman

4/19/19 12:13pm

It's not everything, but it's certainly a part of it.

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:17pm

This is absolutely not true at all...

Coug

4/19/19 12:10pm

When's the last time a recruit that didn't get admitted to BYU made the non-

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:11pm

This is probably the most high profile athlete grad transfer BYU's ever had...

Coug

4/19/19 12:16pm

Can you point me to any non-sports source that is reporting on Ty'Son's

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:19pm

Go ahead BYU... try it... I dare you

Coug

4/19/19 12:23pm

Haha. Is that you, Dallin?

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:24pm

That's probably a stretch.

Eddie

4/19/19 12:15pm

This is a pretty high profile grad transfer...

Coug

4/19/19 12:18pm

I don't disagree with that. I disagree with the idea they'll never get another.

Eddie

4/19/19 12:37pm

Ok... that's fair... so let me rephrase it...

Coug

4/19/19 12:54pm

That I can agree with.

Eddie

4/19/19 2:39pm

Haha you keep telling yourself that.

ReggaeCoug

4/19/19 12:42pm

I invite you to listen to sports radio after the news comes out. Have fun.

Bluedarts

4/19/19 12:46pm

Again. We're talking about CB and rabid sports fans in Utah. Outside of that

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:49pm

Ahh, I should have known your dramatic response was even more dramatic.

Bluedarts

4/19/19 12:55pm

I think you are being naive about who will and won't care about it...

Coug

4/19/19 12:59pm

He doesn't want to hear that. He's convinced he's 100% right

ReggaeCoug

4/19/19 2:14pm

Yes they do. I traveled a lot for business. Tons of people follow every aspect

Division Bell

4/19/19 2:17pm

They follow the minutae of BYU recruiting, too?

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 5:22pm

Ignore my comments.

Division Bell

4/20/19 1:39pm

Your posts are making you sound like one of the academic admins

Resurgens

4/19/19 1:28pm

RE: Let's call a spade a spade if Williams doesn't get admitted

Coop

4/19/19 12:04pm

RE: Let's call a spade a spade if Williams doesn't get admitted

The Chelsea Dagger

4/19/19 3:47pm

If he doesn't get in, then I think they really need to stop recruiting grad

Bluedarts

4/19/19 12:45pm

You are correct.

SoCalCoug

4/19/19 1:08pm

A spade is a derogatory term used for people of African descent.

rockyrd

4/19/19 2:21pm

TIC?

Boanerges

4/19/19 2:26pm

Ok. I've never heard this before.

Wingnut

4/19/19 2:26pm

It is also used in a common phrase as properly used in the OP

LV Mike

4/19/19 2:27pm

Let’s not try to fabricate racial outrage when there is nothing racist intended

pegushin

4/19/19 2:37pm

Spot on! Oh, never mind, I thought you were referring to the OP.

AZcougLawyer

4/20/19 12:55am

It’s definitely a racial slur, at least in the Midwestern cities I’ve lived in

The Chelsea Dagger

4/19/19 3:41pm

Interesting - I don't think in this phrase however

Boanerges

4/19/19 3:47pm

Heard that phrase a lot in Utah but never once I moved away

The Chelsea Dagger

4/19/19 3:52pm

I lived in the Midwest and never heard it used in a racial way

pegushin

4/19/19 4:12pm

RE: Let's call a spade a spade if Williams doesn't get admitted

PBR

4/19/19 3:50pm

If he doesn’t get admitted it’ll have nothing to do with his race. Stop playing

zerome4sooners

4/19/19 3:59pm

How do you know it will have nothing to do with it?

D.T. Survivor

4/19/19 4:06pm

BYU has accepted black grad transfers before

puntersarepeople

4/19/19 4:14pm

I guess you’re free to think whatever you’d like

zerome4sooners

4/19/19 4:48pm

People play the race card all the time and I hate it

puntersarepeople

4/19/19 4:14pm

Race influences sooo much in ones life

D.T. Survivor

4/19/19 4:33pm

It can

puntersarepeople

4/19/19 4:39pm

Hopefully he is in and this is much ado about nothing

D.T. Survivor

4/19/19 7:18pm

Stop

pegushin

4/19/19 4:54pm

not tied to racist on Wikipedia, rather tied to Greek idiom

ElmerAlbert

4/19/19 4:49pm

but, NPR gives the history of how the term and usage changed

ElmerAlbert

4/19/19 4:57pm

Even NPR said basically

Boanerges

4/19/19 7:17pm

Let's not be niggardly in sharing this suggestion.

spoxjox

4/19/19 7:19pm

Your spin looks poorly on BYU...if he qualifies he qualifies....has nothing to

coot20

4/19/19 6:30pm

All this hand wringing about Ty’son makes

FanofBYU

4/19/19 6:48pm

This^^^. So ridiculous.

soupie

4/19/19 7:01pm

It’s all because of Gurney

puntersarepeople

4/19/19 7:25pm

What a stupid rumor. Since he committed, let's just expect him to enroll.

qom

4/19/19 7:44pm

I disagree. We do not know what is on his academic record. If this was

Thrill

4/20/19 2:42pm

Precisely. It’s based on merit not race

puntersarepeople

4/20/19 6:19pm

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