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Jul 1, 2019
6:11:54pm

CoachSpeak All-American

That’s true, you didn’t...

But you did make a sarcastic remark that inferred that you think it is pretty commonplace. I’m just saying I don’t think it is because I’ve seen the lengths programs go to in an attempt to keep guys from doing it. I’m with you though that there are still guys that do it, and some that get away with it.

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CoachSpeak

Bio page: CoachSpeak
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Last login: Aug 18, 2020
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Looks like Gronk was on the u of u fitness program while playing.

SoValleyCOUG

7/1/19 9:24am

Whats so funny about those twitter pics is how skinny he is yet he has freakishly large hands.

7/1/19 9:27am

Weird to put this in Rivalry Smack.

displacedute

7/1/19 9:28am

They don’t really have an argument for anything else?

CrimsonCardinal

7/1/19 3:30pm

They just wanted to see the two of you respond.

WJCougar

7/1/19 3:37pm

An observation of many retired ute players over the years.

SoValleyCOUG

7/1/19 5:58pm

I know this is the pot calling the kettle black,

displacedute

7/1/19 6:31pm

RE: I know this is the pot calling the kettle black,

WJCougar

7/1/19 7:03pm

It's how quickly they lose it Gronk just retired a few months ago.

SoValleyCOUG

7/1/19 8:48pm

Weird to bring Alex Guerrero into this.

tony

7/1/19 8:53pm

Seems like that his weight loss was a bit too fast. Was he roided up like crazy

mudpupper

7/1/19 9:31am

Apparently it takes a lot of work for BIG football players to keep the weight on

displacedute

7/1/19 9:35am

A friend of mine from HS played OL in the NFL

scottpete

7/1/19 9:37am

True, but that is some fast muscle loss.

mudpupper

7/1/19 9:47am

Exceptional muscle loss. Has to be from “supplements” change, at least in part.

Big Daddy D

7/1/19 9:56am

Good post, plus it's pretty much impossible to lose weight without losing muscle

deljdc

7/1/19 2:00pm

I’ve known a few guys that have played in college and one in the NFL.

specsauce

7/1/19 9:40am

Mike Empey is a good example of this...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 10:23am

Some of you need to educate yourself...

jackryanslc

7/1/19 10:30am

Almost everyone at the DI level and above is taking something

reddead

7/1/19 11:46am

What do you mean by "taking something"?

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 11:50am

Steroids/test boosters, etc. Obviously not referring to nutrition

reddead

7/1/19 3:23pm

So your vague “friends” that you happen to know...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 3:45pm

As a relative, you're probably one of the last people that would know

reddead

7/1/19 4:17pm

My son is as vague as your “friends” 😂

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 4:27pm

Then he’s one of the few

reddead

7/1/19 4:29pm

<< Deleted >>

jackryanslc

7/1/19 12:29pm

My son is a D1 football player as well...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 12:37pm

My friend (D1 player) was a known Mormon on the team. The team made sure

rcbyufan

7/1/19 12:53pm

Doubt it...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 1:01pm

Heard about this happening, too. "Random" tests that aren't random

reddead

7/1/19 3:40pm

Orals, HCG, and soms are all pretty common

reddead

7/1/19 3:39pm

So you have actual evidence of this?

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 3:48pm

Why do you put "friends" in quotations?

reddead

7/1/19 4:14pm

You claimed “almost everyone” when that is something you’d have no way to know..

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 4:38pm

Um, yeah... I'm gonna go ahead and agree with CoachSpeak on this one.

whitey1980

7/1/19 5:04pm

I definitely wouldn’t expect you to agree with me “always” 😁

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 5:32pm

There are good Utes! 🙂

whitey1980

7/1/19 6:04pm

I find it interesting that everyone is so shocked when a player gain a bunch

deljdc

7/1/19 2:06pm

Not just BYU; it's UofU, USU and SMU that I know of/have second-hand knowledge

reddead

7/1/19 4:08pm

C'mon don't make rash generalizations.

Cougstreak

7/2/19 4:28am

Yeah I'm sure all those guys are 100% natural.

SoValleyCOUG

7/1/19 12:39pm

No one believes that...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 12:44pm

I'm sure there are a fair share of Tony Madarich guys out there who hide it.

SoValleyCOUG

7/1/19 4:30pm

I’m sure there are as well...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 4:32pm

Well I never wrote "most" or "almost everyone" so I can't say.

SoValleyCOUG

7/1/19 6:01pm

That’s true, you didn’t...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 6:11pm

My sarcasm was aimed at a comment that made it sound like everyone is clean.

SoValleyCOUG

7/1/19 7:44pm

Testing isn’t nearly that frequent or effective

reddead

7/1/19 4:35pm

And how do you know this?

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 4:43pm

You’re straw manning me. I’m not saying every player. Just many

reddead

7/1/19 5:08pm

No, you literally said “almost everyone at the D1 level is taking something”...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 5:28pm

to me that was fairly obvious hyperbole and just a colloquial manner of speaking

SCKIN

7/1/19 6:43pm

It is certainly hyperbole...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 6:49pm

This is EXCELLENT detective work. We cannot simply believe links posted by any

SCKIN

7/1/19 6:54pm

Oh I didn’t say it can’t be believed...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 7:08pm

what an intelligent, reasonable, and substantive take .......

SCKIN

7/1/19 7:28pm

Here's a 4-year old bleacher report article

reddead

7/2/19 3:13pm

no, no, no, no, things have changed DRASTICALLY in the last four years

SCKIN

7/2/19 3:48pm

That’s an article about the nfl genius 😂

CoachSpeak

7/2/19 4:36pm

You're right; testing in the NFL is more regular and more stringent than college

reddead

7/2/19 6:15pm

I'd assume that the NFL is very different than college. NFL players have a union, (NFLPA) which represents their

whitey1980

7/2/19 4:38pm

They know that....

CoachSpeak

7/2/19 4:42pm

NCAA players get tested less frequently than NFL players, not more

reddead

7/2/19 6:19pm

Don't tell me I'm wrong. Prove it. Show me an article. Post a link. Provide evidence.

whitey1980

7/2/19 8:07pm

Link here:

reddead

7/2/19 8:28pm

So you post an article about pro players...

CoachSpeak

7/2/19 4:35pm

Pointing out that juicing is rampant in the sport and tests aren't hard to beat

reddead

7/2/19 6:20pm

I don't find your anecdotal evidence any more compelling than reddead's

SCKIN

7/1/19 6:36pm

So a link to an almost decade old article...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 6:46pm

that's what I find interesting about your whole schtick ... you're both alleging

SCKIN

7/1/19 6:52pm

7 year old “empirical evidence” might not be so “empirical” any longer...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 6:59pm

yes, very interesting, you should get a job with NCIS

SCKIN

7/1/19 7:27pm

Reddead, who doodoo’d in your

coastcat

7/1/19 4:50pm

It takes a lot of patience for some guys weighting to gain all that wait

TEXAS

7/1/19 7:47pm

"patients"

SCKIN

7/2/19 12:24am

Low-key Ken M comment right here 🙂

reddead

7/2/19 3:14pm

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