that's what I find interesting about your whole schtick ... you're both alleging

Jul 1, 2019
6:52:44pm

SCKIN Walk-on

interactions with people with 1st hand experience but in your mind your experience somehow trumps his. Don't quite get that one.

Yes, that article is 7 years old. It was my attempt to nudge you in the right direction of looking for empirical data/evidence rather than relying entirely on what you personally observed.

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Looks like Gronk was on the u of u fitness program while playing.

SoValleyCOUG

7/1/19 9:24am

Whats so funny about those twitter pics is how skinny he is yet he has freakishly large hands.

Hank Rearden

7/1/19 9:27am

Weird to put this in Rivalry Smack.

displacedute

7/1/19 9:28am

They don’t really have an argument for anything else?

CrimsonCardinal

7/1/19 3:30pm

They just wanted to see the two of you respond.

WJCougar

7/1/19 3:37pm

An observation of many retired ute players over the years.

SoValleyCOUG

7/1/19 5:58pm

I know this is the pot calling the kettle black,

displacedute

7/1/19 6:31pm

RE: I know this is the pot calling the kettle black,

WJCougar

7/1/19 7:03pm

It's how quickly they lose it Gronk just retired a few months ago.

SoValleyCOUG

7/1/19 8:48pm

Weird to bring Alex Guerrero into this.

tony

7/1/19 8:53pm

Seems like that his weight loss was a bit too fast. Was he roided up like crazy

mudpupper

7/1/19 9:31am

Apparently it takes a lot of work for BIG football players to keep the weight on

displacedute

7/1/19 9:35am

A friend of mine from HS played OL in the NFL

scottpete

7/1/19 9:37am

True, but that is some fast muscle loss.

mudpupper

7/1/19 9:47am

Exceptional muscle loss. Has to be from “supplements” change, at least in part.

Big Daddy D

7/1/19 9:56am

Good post, plus it's pretty much impossible to lose weight without losing muscle

deljdc

7/1/19 2:00pm

I’ve known a few guys that have played in college and one in the NFL.

specsauce

7/1/19 9:40am

Mike Empey is a good example of this...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 10:23am

Some of you need to educate yourself...

jackryanslc

7/1/19 10:30am

Almost everyone at the DI level and above is taking something

reddead

7/1/19 11:46am

What do you mean by "taking something"?

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 11:50am

Steroids/test boosters, etc. Obviously not referring to nutrition

reddead

7/1/19 3:23pm

So your vague “friends” that you happen to know...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 3:45pm

As a relative, you're probably one of the last people that would know

reddead

7/1/19 4:17pm

My son is as vague as your “friends” 😂

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 4:27pm

Then he’s one of the few

reddead

7/1/19 4:29pm

<< Deleted >>

jackryanslc

7/1/19 12:29pm

My son is a D1 football player as well...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 12:37pm

My friend (D1 player) was a known Mormon on the team. The team made sure

rcbyufan

7/1/19 12:53pm

Doubt it...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 1:01pm

Heard about this happening, too. "Random" tests that aren't random

reddead

7/1/19 3:40pm

Orals, HCG, and soms are all pretty common

reddead

7/1/19 3:39pm

So you have actual evidence of this?

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 3:48pm

Why do you put "friends" in quotations?

reddead

7/1/19 4:14pm

You claimed “almost everyone” when that is something you’d have no way to know..

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 4:38pm

Um, yeah... I'm gonna go ahead and agree with CoachSpeak on this one.

whitey1980

7/1/19 5:04pm

I definitely wouldn’t expect you to agree with me “always” 😁

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 5:32pm

There are good Utes! 🙂

whitey1980

7/1/19 6:04pm

I find it interesting that everyone is so shocked when a player gain a bunch

deljdc

7/1/19 2:06pm

Not just BYU; it's UofU, USU and SMU that I know of/have second-hand knowledge

reddead

7/1/19 4:08pm

C'mon don't make rash generalizations.

Cougstreak

7/2/19 4:28am

Yeah I'm sure all those guys are 100% natural.

SoValleyCOUG

7/1/19 12:39pm

No one believes that...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 12:44pm

I'm sure there are a fair share of Tony Madarich guys out there who hide it.

SoValleyCOUG

7/1/19 4:30pm

I’m sure there are as well...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 4:32pm

Well I never wrote "most" or "almost everyone" so I can't say.

SoValleyCOUG

7/1/19 6:01pm

That’s true, you didn’t...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 6:11pm

My sarcasm was aimed at a comment that made it sound like everyone is clean.

SoValleyCOUG

7/1/19 7:44pm

Testing isn’t nearly that frequent or effective

reddead

7/1/19 4:35pm

And how do you know this?

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 4:43pm

You’re straw manning me. I’m not saying every player. Just many

reddead

7/1/19 5:08pm

No, you literally said “almost everyone at the D1 level is taking something”...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 5:28pm

to me that was fairly obvious hyperbole and just a colloquial manner of speaking

SCKIN

7/1/19 6:43pm

It is certainly hyperbole...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 6:49pm

This is EXCELLENT detective work. We cannot simply believe links posted by any

SCKIN

7/1/19 6:54pm

Oh I didn’t say it can’t be believed...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 7:08pm

what an intelligent, reasonable, and substantive take .......

SCKIN

7/1/19 7:28pm

Here's a 4-year old bleacher report article

reddead

7/2/19 3:13pm

no, no, no, no, things have changed DRASTICALLY in the last four years

SCKIN

7/2/19 3:48pm

That’s an article about the nfl genius 😂

CoachSpeak

7/2/19 4:36pm

You're right; testing in the NFL is more regular and more stringent than college

reddead

7/2/19 6:15pm

I'd assume that the NFL is very different than college. NFL players have a union, (NFLPA) which represents their

whitey1980

7/2/19 4:38pm

They know that....

CoachSpeak

7/2/19 4:42pm

NCAA players get tested less frequently than NFL players, not more

reddead

7/2/19 6:19pm

Don't tell me I'm wrong. Prove it. Show me an article. Post a link. Provide evidence.

whitey1980

7/2/19 8:07pm

Link here:

reddead

7/2/19 8:28pm

So you post an article about pro players...

CoachSpeak

7/2/19 4:35pm

Pointing out that juicing is rampant in the sport and tests aren't hard to beat

reddead

7/2/19 6:20pm

I don't find your anecdotal evidence any more compelling than reddead's

SCKIN

7/1/19 6:36pm

So a link to an almost decade old article...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 6:46pm

that's what I find interesting about your whole schtick ... you're both alleging

SCKIN

7/1/19 6:52pm

7 year old “empirical evidence” might not be so “empirical” any longer...

CoachSpeak

7/1/19 6:59pm

yes, very interesting, you should get a job with NCIS

SCKIN

7/1/19 7:27pm

Reddead, who doodoo’d in your

coastcat

7/1/19 4:50pm

It takes a lot of patience for some guys weighting to gain all that wait

TEXAS

7/1/19 7:47pm

"patients"

SCKIN

7/2/19 12:24am

Low-key Ken M comment right here 🙂

reddead

7/2/19 3:14pm

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