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Jul 23, 2019
8:06:17pm

thecthdox All-American

The hypothetical is meant to see how far as a society we will go. I once saw a

a student respond to a law professor's hypothetical with, "First of all, that would never happen." The professor responded with, in my opinion, a great lesson all attorneys should learn. He held up the case book and said, "This whole book is full of cases that no one thought would happen."

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thecthdox

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CB attorneys, how do you feel about Ancestry collecting DNA from Person A,

thecthdox

7/23/19 12:09pm

What did they tell you that you were going to do with your DNA? Did

Baron

7/23/19 12:12pm

Cant use it for arrest but can use it to help investigation.

shimmy

7/23/19 12:13pm

Golden State killer. They found several 3rd cousins level DNA. Figured out who were common great (maybe another great),

7/23/19 12:20pm

Yeah. I’m cool with that so long as the original dna person consented.

shimmy

7/23/19 12:21pm

Not on ancestry

fattycoug

7/23/19 1:01pm

Thanks, yeah, I didn’t mean to imply that, just explaing how they used DNA to catch a killer.

7/23/19 8:50pm

You specified non violent. Here is a case where it helped solve a violent crime

dratax

7/23/19 12:21pm

Nobody is combing DNA samples for a snatch and grab, so the hypothetical is

rcbyufan

7/23/19 12:23pm

Avoiding violent crimes to remove emotion and because something used for

thecthdox

7/23/19 12:36pm

I am a fan of hypotheticals and pushing the edges to see weak spots.

rcbyufan

7/23/19 12:39pm

I love it. It’s what should happen.

RdF3

7/23/19 12:15pm

Wouldn't it be hard to conclude that Luke had to have committed the crime?

durandal

7/23/19 12:15pm

Ah, but I set the facts of the hypothetical. Assume it was convincing enough

thecthdox

7/23/19 12:38pm

I'm just trying to make Luke's case for him. If the evidence is, "the DNA

durandal

7/23/19 1:09pm

Need more information. Had any of Luke's limbs been severed?

Pelado

7/23/19 12:15pm

Just a hand, but he got a sweet prosthetic.

thecthdox

7/23/19 12:38pm

Why are you asking only attorneys?

rcbyufan

7/23/19 12:16pm

No problem using it to catch scumbags. Put them away! Love it.

Acorn

7/23/19 12:17pm

So you want less rights?

BYUSeahawks

7/23/19 12:20pm

Police matching up criminals' DNA doesn't impinge on my rights

Acorn

7/23/19 12:27pm

Lol. I think my rights will be just fine in this scenario.

7/23/19 12:52pm

Let's put scumbags away but not at the expense of constitutional rights

Baron

7/23/19 12:21pm

Please explain what constitutional rights are being violated in these police

Acorn

7/23/19 12:33pm

Not saying they are. I would need to know the specific

Baron

7/23/19 12:38pm

Just as I thought. Implying a constitutional violation when there is none.

Acorn

7/23/19 12:42pm

Glad you fixed it.

Baron

7/23/19 12:45pm

Luke and Leia? Sounds made up

TNT

7/23/19 12:21pm

I knew I should never have trusted Luke. No wonder he was hiding on an island.

BW84

7/23/19 12:34pm

I hate it.

ironman1315

7/23/19 12:29pm

Check the FAQ. Ancestry does not share with police unless under court order

mtnbiker

7/23/19 12:32pm

Other services do though

TEXAS

7/23/19 12:57pm

Only Gedmatch, I believe, because they are free and open source

fattycoug

7/23/19 1:02pm

I believe a couple other do as well

TEXAS

7/23/19 1:03pm

None of the major paid sites, do.

fattycoug

7/23/19 1:05pm

I'd pay extra for them to destroy my information and not add it to the database.

conetah

7/23/19 12:40pm

I thought the police were getting these from gedmatch.com

El Careeb

7/23/19 12:48pm

I’m against anything that helps law enforcement and brings justice to

7/23/19 12:49pm

What is the due process concern?

cracka

7/23/19 1:03pm

I'd like to see the full argument. Most of the ones I've heard have been more

fattycoug

7/23/19 1:07pm

How will you all feel when the "crime" is being Mormon (who by inference

CoogsWin

7/23/19 1:06pm

RE: How will you all feel when the "crime" is being Mormon (who by inference

durandal

7/23/19 1:31pm

RE: How will you all feel when the "crime" is being Mormon (who by inference

TEXAS

7/23/19 1:42pm

RE: How will you all feel when the "crime" is being Mormon (who by inference

DapperDan

7/23/19 1:56pm

RE: How will you all feel when the "crime" is being Mormon (who by inference

AFCougK9

7/23/19 2:56pm

If that’s ever a crime. We have wayyyy more problems to worry about than DNA.

7/23/19 3:05pm

I don't think your scenario is even really close to what happens with this.

fattycoug

7/23/19 1:12pm

Exactly. They will always have at the very least a ton of circumstantial

7/23/19 3:06pm

The hypothetical is meant to see how far as a society we will go. I once saw a

thecthdox

7/23/19 8:06pm

Not a fan. Too much information given to government.

UNLVcougar

7/23/19 1:13pm

Leia marries Luke to get into the country legally, oh wait...got my names mixed

Romex

7/23/19 1:13pm

I'd be upset if Ancestry or 23andme as private companies gave away info. But getting date from an open site where people

JayOwen

7/23/19 4:15pm

They don't give away data.

mtnbiker

7/23/19 6:53pm

So thanks for all the responses. Instead of due process what if Luke makes an

thecthdox

7/23/19 8:09pm

He'd lose.

ironman1315

7/23/19 8:33pm

I'm not an attorney, so take this opinion with that grain of salt. I have no

durandal

7/23/19 8:58pm

The question of search is one of privacy

ironman1315

7/23/19 9:39pm

For the record, my sisters have already done this so there if the police were

thecthdox

7/23/19 8:11pm

Bear Brook

Sherlock

7/23/19 9:11pm

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