Exactly, USU is more relevant today and since 2012 in their history

Aug 19, 2019
10:31:51am

USMCdad All-American

And yet so many of our fans claim that isn’t possible for G5 programs to gain relevance, when we are seeing it with multiple programs.

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The Athletic - Predictions for BYU Football

Cougs1 All-American

8/19/19 7:41am

Ouch. Gotta get 7.

JuicyJam

8/19/19 7:42am

Are we not out of the national picture in August with the MWC?

WorfoSAUR

8/19/19 7:43am

Lol, nope, mwc and wac was what made the program relevant

USMCdad

8/19/19 7:58am

Times have changed. CF has changed

LifeLongLakerFan

8/19/19 7:59am

Exactly, it’s been hard watching the program go this direction.

USMCdad

8/19/19 8:03am

40-25 years ago.

Benfica1

8/19/19 8:23am

Exactly, and still holds up thankfully

USMCdad

8/19/19 8:35am

Until the MWC was gutted by losing Utah and TCU (and BYU)

Indy Coug

8/19/19 8:30am

Hasn’t hurt Boise St or Utah State

USMCdad

8/19/19 8:39am

Check out their respective revenue numbers

Indy Coug

8/19/19 8:41am

And attendance

Gustav

8/19/19 8:47am

Oh I forgot that’s the new metric for relevance in college football

USMCdad

8/19/19 8:53am

Okay, so by what measure is USU relevant?

Gustav

8/19/19 9:07am

Um, they finished last season ranked in the top 25

USMCdad

8/19/19 9:16am

And prior to that in 2012 they finished ranked 16

USMCdad

8/19/19 9:19am

And their coach leapt at the opportunity to leave

Gustav

8/19/19 9:28am

But you asked by what measure are they relevant and I used the top 25 rankings

USMCdad

8/19/19 9:40am

Relevance is measured by several metrics; revenue, television appeal, attendance

Archaea

8/19/19 10:06am

Exactly, USU is more relevant today and since 2012 in their history

USMCdad

8/19/19 10:31am

USU got votes in both major preseason polls. I would consider that relevance.

TrueAggieBlue

8/19/19 10:44am

If a team finishes strong and in or near the top twenty-five, that

Archaea

8/19/19 10:55am

Exactly, and that’s the definition of relevant in sports

USMCdad

8/19/19 11:23am

USU is more relevant than it was but not more relevant than BYU

Archaea

8/19/19 10:55am

You are missing my point, their success in the MWC has made them relevant

USMCdad

8/19/19 11:22am

The question is what ceiling does the G5 put on a team. Boise had success before

Archaea

8/19/19 5:47pm

So by this logic, since Florida St., Miami, and Penn St. were at their peak

chilango

8/19/19 11:16am

No I think by those examples it strengthens the argument for conference

USMCdad

8/19/19 11:29am

2 ranked finishes since 1961.

Gentleman Stan

8/19/19 9:40am

Exactly my point, both since Indy, that’s my whole point

USMCdad

8/19/19 10:30am

BYU's definition of relevance is different that USU's.

Archaea

8/19/19 11:02am

I think they both see the way to be relevant is through the NY6 bowls

USMCdad

8/19/19 11:35am

If you think a pair of top 25 rankings are a reflection of relevance? If you are

unctoothman

8/19/19 4:05pm

The comparison was G5 is irrelevant after August, it’s not true

USMCdad

8/19/19 4:17pm

No. How would an undefeated byu not be in the national conversation? It would be

Josef K

8/19/19 8:50am

It’s like people forget what once was, and still is for other G5 teams

USMCdad

8/19/19 8:58am

This might be the funniest thing I've read

LiveCoug

8/19/19 9:11am

RE: This might be the funniest thing I've read

USMCdad

8/19/19 9:28am

Maybe BYU should move to the Division 1-AA or whatever it's called now.

Archaea

8/19/19 10:08am

RE: Maybe BYU should move to the Division 1-AA or whatever it's called now.

USMCdad

8/19/19 10:51am

Since moving down makes you relevant, using your logic.

Archaea

8/19/19 10:56am

MWC isn’t moving down from Indy, the access to NY6 alone is an upgrade

USMCdad

8/19/19 11:40am

I see playing relevant P5 games as the litmus test. Moving to G5 means

Archaea

8/19/19 5:50pm

Yep, and UCF finished 12-0 and still didn't get in the Playoff. That is not

BYU I Bleed Blue

8/19/19 11:10am

They played NY6 and were the talk of every college football publication

USMCdad

8/19/19 11:42am

Just being talked about but not having an opportunity. BYU has to just win even

BYU I Bleed Blue

8/19/19 12:18pm

But that’s the point, BSU, USU and others have proven that G5 conference

USMCdad

8/19/19 12:23pm

Just win and BYU will be talk about.

coolblue

8/19/19 12:23pm

I don't know man, if your only goal for this program is a national championship,

Josef K

8/19/19 12:26pm

The assumption that we would go undefeated in the MWC...

Cougar8Duck

8/19/19 9:13am

Not an assumption of mine. But, if we can't go undefeated in the MWC, there is

Josef K

8/19/19 12:29pm

I don’t think we could go undefeated in the MWC right away

USMCdad

8/19/19 12:34pm

But going 4-0 puts us in a National Picture the MWC could never.

bluebrotha

8/19/19 12:02pm

You can still play OOC games in the MWC. We wouldn't get into playoff either way

shakarocks

8/19/19 12:14pm

With the evolving landscape, no way a BYU G5 team plays 3 P5 teams at home.

bluebrotha

8/19/19 5:03pm

True, but 4-0 has only happened once, and that time it also put us there

USMCdad

8/19/19 12:15pm

News flash... No non-P5 is in the NP. BYU has a nice fun schedule without any

blackshirts

8/19/19 12:20pm

Gotta prove 'em wrong ...

Art Director

8/19/19 7:50am

8 wins.

Benfica1

8/19/19 7:57am

not the rosiest of opinions

BlueFrog

8/19/19 8:01am

How embarrassing Stewart. You're smarter than to believe the MWC is a good move

LiveCoug

8/19/19 8:04am

Just to be clear, He said I fail to see how this is a more enjoyable experience&

rcbyufan

8/19/19 8:28am

But Mr. Scoobs keeps telling everyone our schedules are easy compared to before.

bluecougar1985

8/19/19 8:06am

Don't shoot the messenger. It's just the data.

Mr. Scoobs

8/19/19 8:51am

Just keep pushing a false narrative.

bluecougar1985

8/19/19 9:03am

Why is presenting objective data labeled a "narrative"?

Mr. Scoobs

8/19/19 9:22am

This conversation goes the same every time, and you refuse to have

bluecougar1985

8/19/19 10:29am

I'm not sure why you are bringing Kalani vs Bronco into this thread. I'm

Mr. Scoobs

8/19/19 10:46am

You are demonstrating a disconnect from reality.

bluecougar1985

8/19/19 11:28am

Please enlighten me using an actual response other than ad hominem.

Mr. Scoobs

8/19/19 11:41am

You need to address the point you keep ignoring.

bluecougar1985

8/19/19 1:11pm

Which is what point? Or do you pride yourself in being vague?

Mr. Scoobs

8/19/19 1:33pm

Bronco was declining the longer he was here... go!

bluecougar1985

8/19/19 2:34pm

I don't think he was declining. There was a natural adjustment to our W-L record due to increased P5 scheduling

Indy Coug

8/19/19 2:39pm

That’s a fair opinion, but I don’t fully agree.

bluecougar1985

8/19/19 5:17pm

Have I disputed Bronco had worse seasons than compared to 06-09?

Mr. Scoobs

8/19/19 3:13pm

I have never been a Kalani is amazing guy, I’m just glad Bronco is gone.

bluecougar1985

8/19/19 5:16pm

Why do you have a different bar for different coaches? What do you think should

Mr. Scoobs

8/20/19 2:52pm

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bluecougar1985

8/19/19 1:10pm

BYU is out of the national picture regardless of its situation right now.

Baron

8/19/19 8:06am

Just win and keep winning, BYU, it's the only way to shut these guys up.

BlueFever

8/19/19 8:11am

Those guys are decent writers but when it comes to prospects of specific teams

Gustav

8/19/19 8:12am

As Greg Wrubell put it a few years ago "There's no going back, boys".

BlueFever

8/19/19 8:33am

He sees a 6-6 BYU missing a bowl? Is that even a possibility this year? I

chilango

8/19/19 8:12am

BYU is contracted to the Hawaii Bowl.

Jeffacka

8/19/19 8:22am

yes big sportswriter is out to lunch. If BYU is 6-6 they go to the Hawaii bowl

cwilke1

8/19/19 9:28am

That’s what I thought. It’s funny to see Mandel predict 6-6 and not going to a

chilango

8/19/19 10:34am

LOL! If Beale you go 6-6 this season

BYUvermont

8/19/19 9:08am

Oh!! I love this so much....!!

Pretorian

8/19/19 9:34am

Hard to say whether or not it is more difficult. The travel is waaaay worse.

ThorLebowski

8/19/19 9:48am

Yep. And unlike most of CougarBoard, I like to keep my expectations in check until after the first game or two.

Brisco

8/19/19 9:42am

Stewart Mandel has now changed his prediction for BYU -now 5-7 changed from 6-6

cwilke1

8/19/19 10:17am

What the heck is wrong with people? How many times do national writers need to

andrewg3

8/19/19 11:08am

Unfortunately the past 2 years have not had us at 8-9 wins. I think we get 8...

Cougstreak

8/19/19 11:29am

Well, when was the last time BYU over performed by 3-4 games?

BYU Fan

8/19/19 3:49pm

Using my numbers and being totally unbiased I have BYU winning 14 games this

pappabear246

8/19/19 11:54am

one interesting point I just noticed today is that these top 3 CFB writers for

cwilke1

8/20/19 2:27pm

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