The issue is that it divides a state whose population is not large enough to have two p-5 teams. Utah's population is

Sep 23, 2019
7:11:40am

tawillin All-American

3.1 million. It is ten times smaller than the State of Texas at 30 million. Texas only has 4 P-5 programs. The numbers just don't work to have two p-5 program in one state.

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The Pac-12 made a huge mistake not taking BYU. If they took BYU, BYU would have solidified itself as the top team in

tawillin All-American

9/22/19 7:09pm

Okey doke.

Texas Hammer

9/22/19 7:10pm

I love buc ee's!

dodgersjazzcougs

9/23/19 9:50am

Hey that wazzu ucla game was the best game of the year.

Beans

9/22/19 7:11pm

RE: Hey that wazzu ucla game was the best game of the year.

Coug Man in Florida

9/23/19 12:57pm

RE: The Pac-12 made a huge mistake not taking BYU. If they took BYU, BYU would have solidified itself as the top team

Solomon Levi

9/22/19 7:15pm

I’m sure they’re kicking themselves after our 26 point loss to Washington yesterday

DieHarder

9/22/19 7:16pm

Missing point of OP. He is saying that would not have happened if we were P-5

Hawk Talons

9/22/19 7:33pm

Utah and Colorado certainly never lose to other PAC teams either. 🤔

COACHdrn

9/22/19 9:35pm

P12 struggling, still has 6 teams in top 25, and considering it's a conference

MatthiasPhunkHausen

9/22/19 7:34pm

They only have that because the rankings are bias. Tennessee played us tougher than USC and they are ranked.

tawillin

9/22/19 7:42pm

Who cares about top 25. They are going to go yet another year without a team in

cougaman

9/22/19 7:47pm

And now I check the rankings and only 4 this week.

cougaman

9/22/19 7:49pm

🏆

MatthiasPhunkHausen

9/22/19 8:22pm

Point is, P12 is down lately, and especially this year. Is great to see. BYU

cougaman

9/22/19 8:35pm

Sagarin has 2 pac 12 teams in the top 25. TWO. The other 4 P5's make up 21 of

Beans

9/22/19 9:59pm

👶🏻

MatthiasPhunkHausen

9/22/19 10:12pm

The PAC has like 6 teams in the top 25. They aren’t dying. Yet.

demon_llama

9/22/19 7:59pm

How many of those rankings are deserving?

SaintGeorgeYFan

9/22/19 9:02pm

Down to four now. Sagarin has just two.

Beans

9/22/19 10:11pm

They didn't make the mistake. It's a shame for us that we're not in.

IronPotato

9/22/19 8:08pm

The “you almost betray your religion” is a funny comment. Nice job.

The Dude Abides

9/22/19 8:15pm

Haha ya. That's why LDS recruits choose neither BYU or Utah. Or maybe if you're

kos

9/23/19 9:05am

RE: The Pac-12 made a huge mistake not taking BYU. If they took BYU, BYU would

Big McLargeHuge

9/22/19 8:52pm

In most of the P5 conferences, only 1-2 teams are ever making a run at CFB.

Alsippi89

9/22/19 8:53pm

I believe the Pac-12 made a mistake, too, but they don't seem to think so.

byujdmba

9/22/19 9:02pm

The west plays good football. It’s just not good enough to compete.

TunaNoCrust

9/22/19 9:19pm

ugh....

byu_coug

9/22/19 9:29pm

You are mistaken

CougarThug

9/22/19 9:29pm

I brought up that point.

tawillin

9/23/19 7:14am

They made a big financial mistake we would have helped their pathetic attendance

johnnybyu

9/22/19 9:58pm

You betray your religion by not going to BYU?

Daveyjay019

9/22/19 10:29pm

I said it FEELS like you are betraying your religion. It is not actually betraying your religion. I have almost no

tawillin

9/23/19 7:14am

Your position makes no sense.

coldcoug

9/22/19 10:54pm

If the Pac-12 would have taken BYU instead of Utah. Things would have been very different for BYU.

tawillin

9/23/19 7:12am

Utah doesn’t have 2 middle of the road teams. They have a top 25 BCS team and

Blue2thebone

9/23/19 12:28am

Utah will not end the season ranked in the top 25. Also BCS isn't a thing if

Beans

9/23/19 1:15am

board name does not check out.

TAMUCoug

9/23/19 9:47am

Would be interested to know what I said that is incorrect

Blue2thebone

9/23/19 2:13pm

Here's the real truth...

lbmango

9/23/19 4:52am

The issue is that it divides a state whose population is not large enough to have two p-5 teams. Utah's population is

tawillin

9/23/19 7:11am

You forgot. BYU has a national fanbase!

lbmango

9/23/19 7:29am

I agree. This is my point. BYU has the ability to be a powerhouse if it was the only P-5 team in Utah AND its national

tawillin

9/23/19 7:42am

Oregon only has 4.1 M population. Both of their P5

Tsisquan

9/23/19 7:59am

That is a perfect example. Oregon State is not a P-5 program. They are in a p-5 conference but will never have the fans

tawillin

9/23/19 3:33pm

OSU belongs in the MWC.

boscatar

9/23/19 4:53pm

Meh. North Carolina has 4. Iowa, Oklahoma, and Kansas each have 2.

boscatar

9/23/19 8:16am

I think this kind of proves the point. None of those programs are powerhouses in football other than Oklahoma. However,

tawillin

9/23/19 3:41pm

You said Utah isn't big enough for two P5 programs...not two powerhouse programs

boscatar

9/23/19 4:06pm

Iowa is a consistent contender. And Iowa State still gets 50K+ per game.

boscatar

9/23/19 4:08pm

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AZbronco

9/23/19 5:29am

If BYU brought 1/10th of what some of our fanbase thinks it brings, we would

Machupichu

9/23/19 6:34am

The PAC didn't want a contender. It wanted more easy conference wins.

TailgateU

9/23/19 7:50am

It's not too late!

boscatar

9/23/19 8:11am

The PAC's best move is to get into the Central time zone with Texas. HOWEVER,

boscatar

9/23/19 8:31am

Huh? How do you select a champion? You're basically suggesting 3 divisions.

TailgateU

9/23/19 8:59am

Top-2 meet for the CCG. Not rocket science.

boscatar

9/23/19 9:31am

We tried this with the WAC. There's a reason BYU/Utah left to form the MWC.

NotTokolosh

9/23/19 9:59am

The PAC-12 only has one undefeated football team after 4 weeks

T-2

9/23/19 8:40am

RE: The Pac-12 made a huge mistake not taking BYU. If they took BYU, BYU would

Squeegee

9/23/19 10:28am

RE: The Pac-12 made a huge mistake not taking BYU. If they took BYU, BYU would

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