That is a perfect example. Oregon State is not a P-5 program. They are in a p-5 conference but will never have the fans

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Sep 23, 2019
3:33:47pm

tawillin All-American

That is a perfect example. Oregon State is not a P-5 program. They are in a p-5 conference but will never have the fans

to go anywhere. If they do start to compete, Oregon will suffer. However, Oregon has Nike and the whole state. It has allowed them to become a powerhouse. UofU does not have Nike and they have to compete with BYU for recruits. It is not going to work.

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The Pac-12 made a huge mistake not taking BYU. If they took BYU, BYU would have solidified itself as the top team in

tawillin All-American

9/22/19 7:09pm

Okey doke.

9/22/19 7:10pm

I love buc ee's!

dodgersjazzcougs

9/23/19 9:50am

Hey that wazzu ucla game was the best game of the year.

Beans

9/22/19 7:11pm

RE: Hey that wazzu ucla game was the best game of the year.

Coug Man in Florida

9/23/19 12:57pm

RE: The Pac-12 made a huge mistake not taking BYU. If they took BYU, BYU would have solidified itself as the top team

9/22/19 7:15pm

I’m sure they’re kicking themselves after our 26 point loss to Washington yesterday

DieHarder

9/22/19 7:16pm

Missing point of OP. He is saying that would not have happened if we were P-5

Hawk Talons

9/22/19 7:33pm

Utah and Colorado certainly never lose to other PAC teams either. 🤔

COACHdrn

9/22/19 9:35pm

P12 struggling, still has 6 teams in top 25, and considering it's a conference

MatthiasPhunkHausen

9/22/19 7:34pm

They only have that because the rankings are bias. Tennessee played us tougher than USC and they are ranked.

tawillin

9/22/19 7:42pm

Who cares about top 25. They are going to go yet another year without a team in

cougaman

9/22/19 7:47pm

And now I check the rankings and only 4 this week.

cougaman

9/22/19 7:49pm

🏆

MatthiasPhunkHausen

9/22/19 8:22pm

Point is, P12 is down lately, and especially this year. Is great to see. BYU

cougaman

9/22/19 8:35pm

Sagarin has 2 pac 12 teams in the top 25. TWO. The other 4 P5's make up 21 of

Beans

9/22/19 9:59pm

👶🏻

MatthiasPhunkHausen

9/22/19 10:12pm

The PAC has like 6 teams in the top 25. They aren’t dying. Yet.

demon_llama

9/22/19 7:59pm

How many of those rankings are deserving?

SaintGeorgeYFan

9/22/19 9:02pm

Down to four now. Sagarin has just two.

Beans

9/22/19 10:11pm

They didn't make the mistake. It's a shame for us that we're not in.

IronPotato

9/22/19 8:08pm

The “you almost betray your religion” is a funny comment. Nice job.

The Dude Abides

9/22/19 8:15pm

Haha ya. That's why LDS recruits choose neither BYU or Utah. Or maybe if you're

kos

9/23/19 9:05am

RE: The Pac-12 made a huge mistake not taking BYU. If they took BYU, BYU would

Big McLargeHuge

9/22/19 8:52pm

In most of the P5 conferences, only 1-2 teams are ever making a run at CFB.

Alsippi89

9/22/19 8:53pm

I believe the Pac-12 made a mistake, too, but they don't seem to think so.

byujdmba

9/22/19 9:02pm

The west plays good football. It’s just not good enough to compete.

TunaNoCrust

9/22/19 9:19pm

ugh....

byu_coug

9/22/19 9:29pm

You are mistaken

CougarThug

9/22/19 9:29pm

I brought up that point.

tawillin

9/23/19 7:14am

They made a big financial mistake we would have helped their pathetic attendance

johnnybyu

9/22/19 9:58pm

You betray your religion by not going to BYU?

Daveyjay019

9/22/19 10:29pm

I said it FEELS like you are betraying your religion. It is not actually betraying your religion. I have almost no

tawillin

9/23/19 7:14am

Your position makes no sense.

coldcoug

9/22/19 10:54pm

If the Pac-12 would have taken BYU instead of Utah. Things would have been very different for BYU.

tawillin

9/23/19 7:12am

Utah doesn’t have 2 middle of the road teams. They have a top 25 BCS team and

Blue2thebone

9/23/19 12:28am

Utah will not end the season ranked in the top 25. Also BCS isn't a thing if

Beans

9/23/19 1:15am

board name does not check out.

TAMUCoug

9/23/19 9:47am

Would be interested to know what I said that is incorrect

Blue2thebone

9/23/19 2:13pm

Here's the real truth...

lbmango

9/23/19 4:52am

The issue is that it divides a state whose population is not large enough to have two p-5 teams. Utah's population is

tawillin

9/23/19 7:11am

You forgot. BYU has a national fanbase!

lbmango

9/23/19 7:29am

I agree. This is my point. BYU has the ability to be a powerhouse if it was the only P-5 team in Utah AND its national

tawillin

9/23/19 7:42am

Oregon only has 4.1 M population. Both of their P5

Tsisquan

9/23/19 7:59am

That is a perfect example. Oregon State is not a P-5 program. They are in a p-5 conference but will never have the fans

tawillin

9/23/19 3:33pm

OSU belongs in the MWC.

boscatar

9/23/19 4:53pm

Meh. North Carolina has 4. Iowa, Oklahoma, and Kansas each have 2.

boscatar

9/23/19 8:16am

I think this kind of proves the point. None of those programs are powerhouses in football other than Oklahoma. However,

tawillin

9/23/19 3:41pm

You said Utah isn't big enough for two P5 programs...not two powerhouse programs

boscatar

9/23/19 4:06pm

Iowa is a consistent contender. And Iowa State still gets 50K+ per game.

boscatar

9/23/19 4:08pm

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AZbronco

9/23/19 5:29am

If BYU brought 1/10th of what some of our fanbase thinks it brings, we would

Machupichu

9/23/19 6:34am

The PAC didn't want a contender. It wanted more easy conference wins.

TailgateU

9/23/19 7:50am

It's not too late!

boscatar

9/23/19 8:11am

The PAC's best move is to get into the Central time zone with Texas. HOWEVER,

boscatar

9/23/19 8:31am

Huh? How do you select a champion? You're basically suggesting 3 divisions.

TailgateU

9/23/19 8:59am

Top-2 meet for the CCG. Not rocket science.

boscatar

9/23/19 9:31am

We tried this with the WAC. There's a reason BYU/Utah left to form the MWC.

NotTokolosh

9/23/19 9:59am

The PAC-12 only has one undefeated football team after 4 weeks

T-2

9/23/19 8:40am

RE: The Pac-12 made a huge mistake not taking BYU. If they took BYU, BYU would

Squeegee

9/23/19 10:28am

RE: The Pac-12 made a huge mistake not taking BYU. If they took BYU, BYU would

9/23/19 11:49am

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