by the way, defending MWC champion Fresno state has 2 games on Facebook this

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Oct 23, 2019
10:03:44am

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season, and one on something called "FloSports".

How did that MWC championship last year pay off for them?

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Mandel discussing BYU's up-and-down season as well as MWC vs Independence

Indy Coug Loquacious Lummox

10/23/19 8:50am

Can you give a summary for those who are poors?

JohnnyComeLately

10/23/19 8:53am

He's as surprised as anyone by how you got to your 3-4 record

displacedute

10/23/19 9:02am

From a purely football perspective thats dumb

monkeycowboy

10/23/19 9:25am

I know this board has staked out their positions.

displacedute

10/23/19 1:08pm

Can’t argue anything there. I don’t necessarily want to go back to the ...

icecougar

10/23/19 6:57pm

And in a G5 conference, it’s uninteresting from start to finish.

Nogi-oshi

10/24/19 5:23am

summary: BYU is tough to figure out with winning some tough games but losing

cwilke1

10/23/19 9:03am

Maybe he means will only play Hawaii in the bowl if Hawaii is bowl eligible.

Y05

10/23/19 4:42pm

This observation stands out:

Everyman

10/23/19 9:32am

BYU football would be better off in the MWC, but CB has its head in the sand

IrishBlue

10/23/19 9:36am

Here is my objection to the MWC; by going there, you admit

Archaea

10/23/19 9:50am

See Utah, TCU, Louisville, Rutgers etc. Being in a conference in no way hurts a

Klompus

10/23/19 10:07am

We complained about the bowl selection in the MWC.

SoCalCoug

10/23/19 10:12am

haha. How many NY6 races has BYU even sniffed since going Indy? Hows that going?

Klompus

10/23/19 10:14am

Would being in the MWC have made a difference?

SoCalCoug

10/23/19 10:15am

It has been a long time since BYU would have "even sniffed" going to a NY bowl

pappabear246

10/23/19 10:27am

How many BCS bowl games did BYU go to in the MWC?

JohnnyComeLately

10/23/19 11:11am

BYU's W-L record is the problem, not independence.

Zoobieman

10/23/19 7:04pm

The season isn’t over yet and the CFP committee makes that call,

Everyman

10/23/19 4:49pm

I never said BYU is P5, though I believe it competes at the lower P5 level,

Archaea

10/23/19 11:51am

You forget the conferences changed their agreements after those defections

Fdnman

10/24/19 6:46am

You're only accepting, not admitting, to what everyone already knows to be the case...

Coug

10/23/19 11:08am

Don't forget the visibility.

Eddie

10/23/19 11:38am

Exactly on the tv contracts. We were limited in visibility.

Archaea

10/23/19 11:42am

The last time? Hmmm...about 3 weeks ago vs Toledo

UMWolverine

10/23/19 5:01pm

I saw the Toledo game on my TV. Sorry you were unable to.

Eddie

10/23/19 5:32pm

That would have been through ESPN+. So exactly what is your point? You would

UMWolverine

10/23/19 8:52pm

Sorry - I was thinking of a different game.

Eddie

10/24/19 8:10am

I agree that is 100x better than the MWC days. That TV contract was an

UMWolverine

10/24/19 9:18am

Really? Last year's MWC champion was Fresno State.

SoCalCoug

10/23/19 9:59am

by the way, defending MWC champion Fresno state has 2 games on Facebook this

SoCalCoug

10/23/19 10:03am

haha. BYU plays UMASS on that Flo whatever channel this year of Im not mistaken.

Klompus

10/23/19 10:08am

Because of UMass's crappy conference TV plan.

SoCalCoug

10/23/19 10:13am

UMass is independent I believe

Natedog916

10/23/19 10:47am

Then their crappy independent deal, which is way worse than ours.

SoCalCoug

10/23/19 2:50pm

Exposure has done us a lot of good, hasn't it?

IrishBlue

10/23/19 10:19am

So...we'd be rollling in 4 and 5-star recruits if we went back to the MWC?

SoCalCoug

10/23/19 10:41am

This is what is vexing about these G5 arguments. There is absolutely nothing to

GatorCoug

10/23/19 6:43pm

Yea, lets go back to the days of playing the UNLV, Wyoming, CSU, on a week-to-

BYU I Bleed Blue

10/23/19 10:08am

BYU could still schedule good home games.

IrishBlue

10/23/19 10:22am

Right, but we would be so much more limited, and as a G5 we will not get good

BYU I Bleed Blue

10/23/19 10:36am

I agree, first thing BYU has to do to be looked at by P5 is win

pappabear246

10/23/19 10:44am

A lot of teams are willing to play us because their conference considers us a

SoCalCoug

10/23/19 10:42am

You are absolutely correct

Royalblueglasses

10/23/19 12:33pm

Exactly! We would lose out on P5 games and fall to G5 status. Scheduling killer!

BYU I Bleed Blue

10/23/19 1:11pm

there is no good argument for us moving to the MWC before conference realignment. There might be some arguments for it

HarlemCoug

10/23/19 10:42am

Realignment is going to disappoint fans of non-P5 teams.

Everyman

10/23/19 11:31am

until that happens (and considering our great schedules between now and then). It makes no sense to sign with a G5 now.

HarlemCoug

10/23/19 11:41am

Agree.

Everyman

10/23/19 11:44am

I agree with that. Wait to see how the dust settles. But independence is

IrishBlue

10/23/19 1:09pm

When exactly is more realignment going to happen?

El Paso Coug

10/24/19 8:13am

2023

HarlemCoug

10/24/19 8:41am

As the Gipper would say, “There you go again.”

TerpCoug

10/23/19 10:45am

RE: BYU football would be better off in the MWC, but CB has its head in the sand

BYUgeezer

10/23/19 2:13pm

BYU football would never recover from returning to the MWC, and would likely be

Nogi-oshi

10/23/19 5:28pm

MWC means nothing to me.

Zoobieman

10/23/19 6:56pm

MWC - No...but in a conference - Yes

icecougar

10/23/19 6:59pm

Nationally, most people strongly question BYU's choice to be Indy. Its only here

Klompus

10/23/19 9:46am

Because most teams not named ND or Army have a conference so

Archaea

10/23/19 9:51am

That's just not true. I find most people accept that BYU can do it.

SoCalCoug

10/23/19 10:00am

I love how people make this stuff up and then state it as fact

Croweater

10/23/19 10:21am

Because national people don’t understand the factors in depth

BYU '80

10/23/19 11:21am

Link?

JohnnyComeLately

10/23/19 2:16pm

Not remotely true.

dYrtbYkerYder

10/23/19 3:06pm

This has been the case since Independence started...very predictable at this point

Bonoman

10/23/19 11:03pm

It is unrealistic for a national person like him to make intelligent comments

Pretorian

10/23/19 12:15pm

He agreed exposure was better.

displacedute

10/23/19 1:12pm

And he may have a point about football - but not for the fans.

Eddie

10/23/19 1:34pm

Meh, they would let BYU work its own TV deal

shakarocks

10/23/19 3:55pm

I'm not convinced. Maybe.

Eddie

10/23/19 4:00pm

They weren't happy

shakarocks

10/23/19 4:05pm

I don't even know what that means - "football wise"?

BlackBart

10/23/19 1:37pm

11-2 in the MWC with a win or two against P5's

shakarocks

10/23/19 3:55pm

No, those two records place BYU and the MWC team in the exact same spot

Pretorian

10/23/19 5:30pm

You really need to think more deeply.

shakarocks

10/23/19 8:51pm

Says the person who makes statements like that without adding supporting details

Pretorian

10/24/19 4:47am

Why should I? You listed the quality of bowl game.

shakarocks

10/24/19 2:02pm

Hypocrisy, you can’t call me out as being short sighted whilst you yourself

Pretorian

10/24/19 8:32pm

How? Less money and less exposure are attributes of being better off?

Archaea

10/23/19 2:54pm

Because BYU is independent you guys have forgotten the value of a conference.

displacedute

10/23/19 5:29pm

Well, I cheer for 2 teams.

Zoobieman

10/23/19 7:01pm

The conference value comes from the relevance of games

HONOMO

10/23/19 11:19pm

I don't long for a minor conference. If we were in a P5 conference then

Archaea

10/24/19 10:14am

I guess he missed the fact BYU is playing 2 of the best MWC teams in Nov already

ManicBlue

10/23/19 1:30pm

Didn’t bother looking at our future schedules or who is currently in MWC.

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