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Oct 24, 2019
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Nogi-oshi
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And in a G5 conference, it’s uninteresting from start to finish.
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Mandel discussing BYU's up-and-down season as well as MWC vs Independence
Indy Coug
Loquacious Lummox
10/23/19 8:50am
Can you give a summary for those who are poors?
JohnnyComeLately
10/23/19 8:53am
He's as surprised as anyone by how you got to your 3-4 record
displacedute
10/23/19 9:02am
From a purely football perspective thats dumb
monkeycowboy
10/23/19 9:25am
I know this board has staked out their positions.
displacedute
10/23/19 1:08pm
Can’t argue anything there. I don’t necessarily want to go back to the ...
icecougar
10/23/19 6:57pm
And in a G5 conference, it’s uninteresting from start to finish.
Nogi-oshi
10/24/19 5:23am
summary: BYU is tough to figure out with winning some tough games but losing
cwilke1
10/23/19 9:03am
Maybe he means will only play Hawaii in the bowl if Hawaii is bowl eligible.
Y05
10/23/19 4:42pm
This observation stands out:
Everyman
10/23/19 9:32am
BYU football would be better off in the MWC, but CB has its head in the sand
IrishBlue
10/23/19 9:36am
Here is my objection to the MWC; by going there, you admit
Archaea
10/23/19 9:50am
See Utah, TCU, Louisville, Rutgers etc. Being in a conference in no way hurts a
Klompus
10/23/19 10:07am
We complained about the bowl selection in the MWC.
SoCalCoug
10/23/19 10:12am
haha. How many NY6 races has BYU even sniffed since going Indy? Hows that going?
Klompus
10/23/19 10:14am
Would being in the MWC have made a difference?
SoCalCoug
10/23/19 10:15am
It has been a long time since BYU would have "even sniffed" going to a NY bowl
pappabear246
10/23/19 10:27am
How many BCS bowl games did BYU go to in the MWC?
JohnnyComeLately
10/23/19 11:11am
BYU's W-L record is the problem, not independence.
Zoobieman
10/23/19 7:04pm
The season isn’t over yet and the CFP committee makes that call,
Everyman
10/23/19 4:49pm
I never said BYU is P5, though I believe it competes at the lower P5 level,
Archaea
10/23/19 11:51am
You forget the conferences changed their agreements after those defections
Fdnman
10/24/19 6:46am
You're only accepting, not admitting, to what everyone already knows to be the case...
Coug
10/23/19 11:08am
Don't forget the visibility.
Eddie
10/23/19 11:38am
Exactly on the tv contracts. We were limited in visibility.
Archaea
10/23/19 11:42am
The last time? Hmmm...about 3 weeks ago vs Toledo
UMWolverine
10/23/19 5:01pm
I saw the Toledo game on my TV. Sorry you were unable to.
Eddie
10/23/19 5:32pm
That would have been through ESPN+. So exactly what is your point? You would
UMWolverine
10/23/19 8:52pm
Sorry - I was thinking of a different game.
Eddie
10/24/19 8:10am
I agree that is 100x better than the MWC days. That TV contract was an
UMWolverine
10/24/19 9:18am
Really? Last year's MWC champion was Fresno State.
SoCalCoug
10/23/19 9:59am
by the way, defending MWC champion Fresno state has 2 games on Facebook this
SoCalCoug
10/23/19 10:03am
haha. BYU plays UMASS on that Flo whatever channel this year of Im not mistaken.
Klompus
10/23/19 10:08am
Because of UMass's crappy conference TV plan.
SoCalCoug
10/23/19 10:13am
UMass is independent I believe
Natedog916
10/23/19 10:47am
Then their crappy independent deal, which is way worse than ours.
SoCalCoug
10/23/19 2:50pm
Exposure has done us a lot of good, hasn't it?
IrishBlue
10/23/19 10:19am
So...we'd be rollling in 4 and 5-star recruits if we went back to the MWC?
SoCalCoug
10/23/19 10:41am
This is what is vexing about these G5 arguments. There is absolutely nothing to
GatorCoug
10/23/19 6:43pm
Yea, lets go back to the days of playing the UNLV, Wyoming, CSU, on a week-to-
BYU I Bleed Blue
10/23/19 10:08am
BYU could still schedule good home games.
IrishBlue
10/23/19 10:22am
Right, but we would be so much more limited, and as a G5 we will not get good
BYU I Bleed Blue
10/23/19 10:36am
I agree, first thing BYU has to do to be looked at by P5 is win
pappabear246
10/23/19 10:44am
A lot of teams are willing to play us because their conference considers us a
SoCalCoug
10/23/19 10:42am
You are absolutely correct
Royalblueglasses
10/23/19 12:33pm
Exactly! We would lose out on P5 games and fall to G5 status. Scheduling killer!
BYU I Bleed Blue
10/23/19 1:11pm
there is no good argument for us moving to the MWC before conference realignment. There might be some arguments for it
HarlemCoug
10/23/19 10:42am
Realignment is going to disappoint fans of non-P5 teams.
Everyman
10/23/19 11:31am
until that happens (and considering our great schedules between now and then). It makes no sense to sign with a G5 now.
HarlemCoug
10/23/19 11:41am
Agree.
Everyman
10/23/19 11:44am
I agree with that. Wait to see how the dust settles. But independence is
IrishBlue
10/23/19 1:09pm
When exactly is more realignment going to happen?
El Paso Coug
10/24/19 8:13am
2023
HarlemCoug
10/24/19 8:41am
As the Gipper would say, “There you go again.”
TerpCoug
10/23/19 10:45am
RE: BYU football would be better off in the MWC, but CB has its head in the sand
BYUgeezer
10/23/19 2:13pm
BYU football would never recover from returning to the MWC, and would likely be
Nogi-oshi
10/23/19 5:28pm
MWC means nothing to me.
Zoobieman
10/23/19 6:56pm
MWC - No...but in a conference - Yes
icecougar
10/23/19 6:59pm
Nationally, most people strongly question BYU's choice to be Indy. Its only here
Klompus
10/23/19 9:46am
Because most teams not named ND or Army have a conference so
Archaea
10/23/19 9:51am
That's just not true. I find most people accept that BYU can do it.
SoCalCoug
10/23/19 10:00am
I love how people make this stuff up and then state it as fact
Croweater
10/23/19 10:21am
Because national people don’t understand the factors in depth
BYU '80
10/23/19 11:21am
Link?
JohnnyComeLately
10/23/19 2:16pm
Not remotely true.
dYrtbYkerYder
10/23/19 3:06pm
This has been the case since Independence started...very predictable at this point
Bonoman
10/23/19 11:03pm
It is unrealistic for a national person like him to make intelligent comments
Pretorian
10/23/19 12:15pm
He agreed exposure was better.
displacedute
10/23/19 1:12pm
And he may have a point about football - but not for the fans.
Eddie
10/23/19 1:34pm
Meh, they would let BYU work its own TV deal
shakarocks
10/23/19 3:55pm
I'm not convinced. Maybe.
Eddie
10/23/19 4:00pm
They weren't happy
shakarocks
10/23/19 4:05pm
I don't even know what that means - "football wise"?
BlackBart
10/23/19 1:37pm
11-2 in the MWC with a win or two against P5's
shakarocks
10/23/19 3:55pm
No, those two records place BYU and the MWC team in the exact same spot
Pretorian
10/23/19 5:30pm
You really need to think more deeply.
shakarocks
10/23/19 8:51pm
Says the person who makes statements like that without adding supporting details
Pretorian
10/24/19 4:47am
Why should I? You listed the quality of bowl game.
shakarocks
10/24/19 2:02pm
Hypocrisy, you can’t call me out as being short sighted whilst you yourself
Pretorian
10/24/19 8:32pm
How? Less money and less exposure are attributes of being better off?
Archaea
10/23/19 2:54pm
Because BYU is independent you guys have forgotten the value of a conference.
displacedute
10/23/19 5:29pm
Well, I cheer for 2 teams.
Zoobieman
10/23/19 7:01pm
The conference value comes from the relevance of games
HONOMO
10/23/19 11:19pm
I don't long for a minor conference. If we were in a P5 conference then
Archaea
10/24/19 10:14am
I guess he missed the fact BYU is playing 2 of the best MWC teams in Nov already
ManicBlue
10/23/19 1:30pm
Didn’t bother looking at our future schedules or who is currently in MWC.
Lieutenant America
10/24/19 3:22am
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