I agree..if offered they should mean something. I think we should make them more

Dec 14, 2019
4:46:08pm

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like institute. Rather than grading them, posting a grade transcript/GPA, still can require students to take them, but make the focus on spiritual rigor as opposed to academic rigor.

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Maybe an Unpopular Opinion: Religion courses at BYU shouldn't be difficult.

Traveshamockery

12/14/19 12:07pm

Why would that be unpopular? I do t even think they should be graded.

kotacoug

12/14/19 12:09pm

Disagree there- grading needs to be included for credit and to demonstrate

SouthernBlueBlood

12/14/19 12:10pm

Are you saying get rid of the academic credit then? Essentially would make

Game Changer

12/14/19 12:21pm

Not for the BOM- graded but easy

SouthernBlueBlood

12/14/19 12:24pm

Yes. Institute equivalent. All professors basically become CES.

kotacoug

12/14/19 1:02pm

I would not oppose that. But logistically, how would BYU manage religion

Game Changer

12/14/19 2:16pm

Some teachers are great and understand the bigger academic picture, others have

wabluecoug

12/14/19 12:09pm

Religion professors at BYU generally have very large egos

cougarnerd

12/14/19 12:13pm

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maxpowers

12/14/19 12:24pm

Fixed: Professors generally have very large egos

panguitch

12/14/19 1:31pm

I disagree. They should be difficult or they shouldn’t be offered at all

spinner

12/14/19 12:13pm

Serious academic institutions shouldnt grade religion classes. It so bizarre

Backcountry

12/14/19 12:20pm

That’s fine too, honestly

spinner

12/14/19 12:23pm

It should just be pass / fail. You have to take them for credit, doesn't impact GPA positively or negatively.

memento

12/14/19 12:25pm

That's how they count if you take institute classes and transfer the credits.

bluecougar1985

12/14/19 8:53pm

It depends if it is academic they should if it is spiritual fluff class then no.

Baron

12/14/19 12:28pm

Why not?

kccougar

12/14/19 12:33pm

Thats their right. But it doesnt seem like they would be able to offer credit

Backcountry

12/14/19 12:51pm

Never attended BYU?

kccougar

12/14/19 1:34pm

No. And I dont see what wrong with running a normal institute.

Backcountry

12/14/19 2:24pm

Colleges offer plenty of courses that are just for enrichment. So what?

CougarMandias

12/14/19 12:33pm

95% courses are for enrichment

rcbyufan

12/14/19 12:48pm

What is the current requirement for graduation?

spinner

12/14/19 12:52pm

Don't need to grade them, but they should be mandatory.

CougarMandias

12/14/19 2:00pm

You in turn

spinner

12/14/19 2:14pm

I agree..if offered they should mean something. I think we should make them more

SWP

12/14/19 4:46pm

Both of my kids had the same comments.. yet CB never seems to believe me..

TheLost

12/14/19 12:13pm

IMO a lot of kids get into BYU who shouldn't because they really prepped for the ACT on the behest

Baron

12/14/19 12:29pm

My daughter graduated HS with an associates degree and CPhT license..

TheLost

12/14/19 12:49pm

For the numbers BYU has for incoming freshman neither of those achievements are

Baron

12/14/19 12:53pm

Let me know when your kids get accepted. We'll compare what they think about it

TheLost

12/14/19 12:54pm

If they get in I hope they find it challenging and competitive. I went to BYU and outside my major

Baron

12/14/19 12:56pm

Well...I think classes should be rigorous, whether it stresses students out or

SWP

12/14/19 4:54pm

Tons of CBers agree

TEXAS

12/14/19 12:32pm

ratemyprofessor.com - unfortunately not all BYU religion courses are equal

GlueBoggles

12/14/19 9:13pm

Depends on course and purpose IMO

Gustav

12/14/19 12:15pm

Yes, I agree. As I mentioned in my post, if you are a religion

Traveshamockery

12/14/19 12:17pm

The chemistry department has different intro courses for majors and non majors.

kcca

12/14/19 12:45pm

There are a ton of religion teachers and the classes vary so much in difficulty

TCuz

12/14/19 12:16pm

Teachers probably just don't like you.

bluecougar1985

12/14/19 9:10pm

I agree wholeheartedly. Unless you’re major is in religious studies or something

ldssdl

12/14/19 12:16pm

Problem is that the class difficulty is 100% teacher specific

LaserCoug

12/14/19 12:17pm

It's possible someone else would like the other class better, no? Choice is good

rcbyufan

12/14/19 12:47pm

True. But there should be some leveling of work loads between professors.

LaserCoug

12/14/19 2:04pm

Many of the Book of Mormon classes aren’t taught by religion professors

Greg Kite's 'stache

12/14/19 12:18pm

Good points. She should have done more research into these course. I think

Traveshamockery

12/14/19 12:24pm

Multiple choice tests are always relatively easy

Baron

12/14/19 12:19pm

Ratemyprofessor.com is her friend. Religion professors at BYU differ greatly

BIG XII Coug

12/14/19 12:20pm

100% agree.

CougarMandias

12/14/19 12:27pm

Totally agree. Experience and reflection over cram and dump info.

spugeddy24

12/14/19 12:32pm

The best religion professor wasn't even a professor. He was a retired Dr that was in my ward growing up.

Ragnar Danneskjold

12/14/19 12:32pm

That’s a very popular opinion

2FarGone

12/14/19 12:35pm

Mine were pretty easy

Cougforgood

12/14/19 12:44pm

I had pretty easy religion classes at BYU. All about finding the right professor

2Blue4U

12/14/19 12:47pm

There was a Princeton Review type of assessment in the 90s where...

Sumguy

12/14/19 12:58pm

Finally, something to blame Gen X for!

Cougforgood

12/14/19 1:26pm

It is a college level course at an accredited university. Some level of

mudpupper

12/14/19 1:10pm

I don't mind if its difficult, but I do if its a 100 level course.

(Private)

12/14/19 1:29pm

Seminary creates the wrong expectations for BYU religion classes.

panguitch

12/14/19 1:49pm

Same with my daughter. The most spiritual member of our family and she is really

timpjynx

12/14/19 1:49pm

Sometimes it helps to enroll in the classes with large class sizes. Then the

BYUBandfan

12/14/19 1:56pm

It’s the CES syndrome

coldcoug

12/14/19 2:04pm

Rate my professors is your friend in this regard.

TerpCoug

12/14/19 2:49pm

They aren't all hard. But finding which professors are easy is an art.

ryebrye

12/14/19 2:56pm

A REALLY unpopular opinion is that learning needs to be tough to be effective.

runnincoug

12/14/19 4:34pm

This is only true when it's something we don't want to learn.

Mises

12/14/19 5:29pm

Enjoyable yes, but not necessarily easy ... even for things we enjoy

runnincoug

12/14/19 5:49pm

Most that teach that course are faculty in other programs. So the quality of

NorthernLight

12/14/19 5:43pm

Is there a degree one can get in religion?

JohnnyComeLately

12/14/19 6:32pm

Amen brother.

BYU313

12/14/19 8:11pm

Having graduated from BYU just over a year ago

Mattattack159

12/14/19 8:44pm

I'm graduating from BYU-I next week, I took all institute classes and had them

bluecougar1985

12/14/19 8:50pm

Nobody in this thread is talking about that school.

TCuz

12/14/19 8:53pm

Okay, fyi you can transfer institute credits to any of the 3 main church schools

bluecougar1985

12/14/19 8:58pm

*1 main church school

TCuz

12/14/19 9:01pm

So only BYU allows transferred credits? I guess they made an exception for me.

bluecougar1985

12/14/19 9:03pm

Good grief, getting all uppity!

runnincoug

12/14/19 9:26pm

Wouldn't that cause an accreditation problem?

Mitty

12/14/19 11:18pm

Tough to know, since "hard" is subjective, but college is a shock to many

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