2016 Mangum was coming off his pretty good freshman season. Turns out Detmer

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Jan 8, 2020
10:25:45pm

Ash All-American

was the problem but who knew that mid-game vs UCLA when Taysom was looking terrible?

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Ash

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Zach Wilson's record against G5 teams:

Dangerous

1/8/20 1:30pm

That’s not good.

Brigham

1/8/20 1:36pm

I must say I was disappointed in his regression this year. I haven't completely

Goliath

1/8/20 1:38pm

See also: Heaps and Mangum. It's a pattern.

SandYFan

1/8/20 1:44pm

I'm concerned this may be the case. Heaps and Mangum's best years were...

icecougar

1/9/20 7:41pm

Well, he did go 6 weeks through the year without throwing the football

cougfan03

1/8/20 1:54pm

That was through the season....how many weeks during the off-season was he

StarMan

1/8/20 2:04pm

I am hoping problems this year are due to injury and things will improve

pappabear246

1/8/20 9:02pm

Yikes!

Costanza

1/8/20 1:42pm

BSU was even worse than just "drove to the goal line but couldn't score"

byubyu

1/8/20 1:44pm

Gotta say, his decision making in the RPO left a lot to be desired

ldssdl

1/8/20 2:15pm

That was as a true freshman in his 3rd ever start

donnerstag

1/8/20 2:17pm

After a timeout right? Coaches are part to blame but everyone knows you can't

byubyu

1/8/20 2:20pm

Yet Baylor Romney in his first career start converts key 4th downs in a win

Dangerous

1/8/20 2:22pm

Go watch the film and see what Baylor does on that play. Then return and report.

All-American

1/8/20 3:39pm

I'll tell what he didn't do the entire game: give the ball to the other team.

byubyu

1/8/20 4:10pm

Zach has never fumbled on a QB sneak

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 4:51pm

There's byubyu to insult players in only a way he knows how like usual.

Lip Gallagher

1/8/20 6:42pm

And where is he wrong ?

BYU DUDE 1984

1/8/20 8:01pm

Coaching. Coaching. Coaching.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/9/20 4:58pm

but that always worked back at Corner Canyon!

icecougar

1/14/20 12:09pm

GLad he has a healthy offseason this year. No excuses heading into 2020 now. Takes the next step or gets replaced.

Turnpike Lane

1/8/20 1:44pm

He'll never get replaced unless he's hurt. KS has benched exactly zero QB's in

Ash

1/8/20 2:12pm

What games should he have benched the QB? Genuinely asking

rcbyufan

1/8/20 2:14pm

SDSU and Hawaii.

Dangerous

1/8/20 2:15pm

For Critchlow or for the hobbled Romney?

rcbyufan

1/8/20 2:25pm

Hall was cleared and ready against Hawaii. SDSU harder to say.

Dangerous

1/8/20 2:28pm

Nobody seems to agree, but I would start Hall. Best upside of the whole bunch.

Forzaitalia

1/8/20 3:50pm

Off the top of my head. Mangum vs Cal. ZW vs SDSU and Hawaii.

Ash

1/8/20 2:17pm

I would agree with your approach.

rcbyufan

1/8/20 2:26pm

Magnum won vs Wisconsin. Baylor and Jaren were possibly injured

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 4:52pm

As I said, benching a QB in a game does not permanently demote him. But someone

Ash

1/8/20 6:51pm

Yes but you don’t bench a guy in game 2. Or every time he has adversity. You

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 8:15pm

Guys. Benching =/ permanent demotion!

Ash

1/8/20 10:26pm

True but how long?

puntersarepeople

1/9/20 2:40pm

The rest of the game. Then he's back out there. That's a start and is better

Ash

1/9/20 3:19pm

Yes but in all your examples you assumed two things

puntersarepeople

1/9/20 5:42pm

Hawaii benched their starter against BYU in the 2nd half for a series.

ldssdl

1/8/20 2:24pm

I would agree with such an approach. I'm not sure how many opportunities

rcbyufan

1/8/20 2:28pm

And that didn’t work.

All-American

1/8/20 4:16pm

He could have benched Taysom during one of the Utah games. Can’t remember which one it was but

Zach Morris

1/8/20 4:20pm

I thought that was the UCLA game

ldssdl

1/8/20 6:27pm

This, you’re right. Taysom was awful that game.

Zach Morris

1/8/20 7:31pm

Correct. That's another one. Mangum should have been brought in. He did better v

Ash

1/8/20 7:48pm

Potentially wrong again. What if he was 2017 Mangum?

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 8:14pm

2016 Mangum was coming off his pretty good freshman season. Turns out Detmer

Ash

1/8/20 10:25pm

The coaches may have knew he wasn’t a good option

puntersarepeople

1/9/20 2:42pm

Partially true. Nothing happened between 2015 and 2016 to Tanner other

Ash

1/9/20 3:22pm

We don’t know. So why would we assume he was great in 2016?

puntersarepeople

1/9/20 5:45pm

You trust this staff. Yikes. We'll disagree on that one. Again, he has never

Ash

1/9/20 9:04pm

People still think we should have benched Taysom for Tanner? Yeah, no.

All-American

1/8/20 10:18pm

Reading is hard. Benching a player for half of a game and putting them back in

Ash

1/8/20 10:24pm

Yeah, no.

All-American

1/9/20 5:06am

Context. The UCLA game I mentioned, Taysom was playing so poorly that even Kalani

Zach Morris

1/8/20 10:34pm

I see your context and raise you any game Tanner played in 2017-19.

All-American

1/9/20 5:54pm

It was probably the one where we were gifted 6 TO's and still could barely move

Ash

1/8/20 6:53pm

He benched Mangum (though not in-game)

Dangerous

1/8/20 2:15pm

Link when this happened?

Gerald-DeGroot

1/9/20 1:45am

*crickets

Gerald-DeGroot

1/9/20 1:59pm

not sure that will happen. Seems like the QB1 position is a lifetime appointment

icecougar

1/15/20 6:40pm

Here's the deal with his 5 losses

donnerstag

1/8/20 2:44pm

Do you really mean what you wrote about Hawaii?

Y05

1/8/20 5:13pm

He's blaming the D.

Ash

1/8/20 6:54pm

Zach had a very bad game against Hawaii. His PER was 107. He threw to the grass on the pivotal, game ending play

Bob Vance

1/8/20 6:18pm

BYU very well could have scored 44 points

donnerstag

1/8/20 6:56pm

interesting assortment of excuses...

icecougar

1/13/20 11:33am

Here's a good idea. Let's all complain about a kid that has competitive fire and

TailgateU

1/8/20 3:58pm

If he's not ready to play, don't play him.

HONOMO

1/8/20 4:23pm

RE: Here's a good idea. Let's all complain about a kid that has competitive fire

akbarishiwatsu

1/8/20 4:38pm

Sophomore Slump. Will we see a Junior Jump?

Archaea

1/8/20 4:05pm

but he's talented so he should unquestionably start over the dude who

HONOMO

1/8/20 4:18pm

With trick plays

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 4:55pm

The same trick plays they use when ZW is playing.

Plato

1/8/20 6:02pm

They didn’t trick anybody with ZW because they’d ran them over an over

puntersarepeople

1/8/20 6:05pm

LOL. Romney completed passes on third down. We have not seen Zach do that well

Ash

1/8/20 6:56pm

Meanwhile Baylor Romney...did nothing but Shine

CT98

1/8/20 4:24pm

Liberty

All-American

1/8/20 10:19pm

#FreeBaylor

ocho quatro

1/8/20 5:19pm

sounds dangerous

franklyvulgar

1/8/20 5:35pm

experience should carry the day in 2020

chestercougar

1/8/20 5:53pm

Experience is awesome as a bonus to good play. Experience doesn’t mean much with poor play.

Zach Morris

1/8/20 6:25pm

RE: Experience is awesome as a bonus to good play. Experience doesn’t mean

chestercougar

1/8/20 8:53pm

Yeah. It should absolutely be a open QB Comp this offseason. Truth.

Gerald-DeGroot

1/8/20 5:53pm

John Beck was below .500 against G5 teams through his sophomore season

donnerstag

1/8/20 8:25pm

but this is evening out due to how much time and reps Zach has missed and...

icecougar

1/14/20 1:00pm

Go easy on the guy; he will get there

Born in Provo

1/8/20 11:19pm

Horrible!

dodgersjazzcougs

1/9/20 9:04am

That makes him look very average.

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