One is a relative of my wife's who we only see at Christmas or some occasional family gathering - not very often. But she makes a point to wear her BYU gear and tease us whenever she can about Utah not winning a pac12 championship. Then she follows up with "shouldnt have joined the conference!" It's all good and fun and she's actually pretty cool most of the time.

The other is a guy that I admittedly haven't spoken to in almost two years since he moved out of state. But when we talked he would bring up the 2004/2008 teams saying Utah will never reach those heights again in the pac12, and saying Utah fans are delusional thinking losing "so frequently" (as he put it) in the pac12 was better than winning in the MWC.