The difference... players were disciplined for every issue you just brought up.

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Feb 17, 2020
10:07:05pm

dchandle15 All-American

If they are similar circumstances, seems you should support similar player discipline here.

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So I am the only non Astro fan who doesn’t think the sign stealing thing is a

cougarfann888

2/17/20 9:46pm

I'm with you. I don't really care

Mathew

2/17/20 9:48pm

I would imagine most any team would rather have you video a practice than

BYUheaven

2/17/20 9:49pm

They are videoing signs in public sure from a. Different vantage point than the

cougarfann888

2/17/20 9:51pm

Well I think you’re uneducated then - guys like Trout, Hank Aaron, Bellinger all

BYUfan92

2/17/20 9:51pm

I am not saying not a big deal and they shouldn’t be punished

cougarfann888

2/17/20 9:54pm

And I’m saying your opinion is the minority and opposite guys like Aaron & Trout

BYUfan92

2/17/20 10:01pm

I mean I am siding with arbitrators the ones create and enforce rules

cougarfann888

2/17/20 10:07pm

What arbitrators are you referring to, you lost me?

BYUfan92

2/17/20 10:15pm

Arbitrators? Have you even followed the scandal? None of the players got

califcougar

2/17/20 10:28pm

Sorry arbitrators was the wrong word because that is the next level of appeal

cougarfann888

2/17/20 10:46pm

So, Manfred, that’s it. And he’s contradicted himself already. No judges

califcougar

2/17/20 10:48pm

And Johnny Bench, who said he'd bat .700 if he knew what pitch was coming next.

germm

2/17/20 10:19pm

No Astro batted even 400!

Busiturtle

2/18/20 3:54am

No they just aren't as good as Johnny.

IceCreamButt

2/18/20 7:26am

Do you believe that the Astro's sign stealing directly impacted the 2017 WS?

tarzan15

2/17/20 9:51pm

I believe some level of cheating has affected probably 90% of ws

cougarfann888

2/17/20 9:58pm

The difference... players were disciplined for every issue you just brought up.

dchandle15

2/17/20 10:07pm

Bonds and McGwire were punished?

cougarfann888

2/17/20 10:13pm

Boy, you totally deflected the answer. Just answer “yes” or “no”

idacoug

2/17/20 10:11pm

There have been players punished for every crime against baseball you named...

dchandle15

2/17/20 10:37pm

Sign stealing is not ok. They are only stolen when tipped. Imagine in the NBA

777

2/17/20 9:53pm

I thought everyone agreed trying to steal and figure out baseball signs was ok

cougarfann888

2/17/20 9:55pm

No, players look for things like how the pitcher dips his shoulder or if the

777

2/17/20 10:02pm

You can video tape all you want just cant use that in real time

gmj81

2/17/20 10:07pm

Are you suggesting that’s all the Astros did?

garyfan

2/17/20 10:13pm

It is only not okay of it is against the rules.

Baron

2/17/20 10:01pm

Maybe you’d take it a bit more personally if

WY_CougFan

2/17/20 9:58pm

If the As made it to game 7 of World Series I would be excited even if they lost

cougarfann888

2/17/20 10:00pm

Way to be honest

LakeshowCougs

2/17/20 10:47pm

The A's have been cheated out of 3 straight division titles. He should be mad.

777

2/17/20 10:12pm

Listen to Trout's comments today about if he knew the pitch was going to be

Blue for Life

2/17/20 9:59pm

I have a cousin that really likes cheating at games.

jackcrack7

2/17/20 9:59pm

Two things:

garyfan

2/17/20 10:00pm

Good analogies here.

ChiCityCoug

2/17/20 10:02pm

I’m an Astros fan who thinks the punishment was warranted, but now the

BigD Coug

2/17/20 10:06pm

It's blowing up in part because your team can't get out of its own way. Their PR on this has been horrible. And it

CouchPotato

2/17/20 10:09pm

Also true unfortunately

gmj81

2/17/20 10:14pm

Won’t deny that. It’s a wonder how Crane ever became a billionaire.

BigD Coug

2/17/20 10:20pm

How about the stupid owner saying in one interview that he doesn't think it

Blue for Life

2/17/20 10:13pm

Haha. Astros fans trying to minimize this is great.

garyfan

2/17/20 10:15pm

My intent was not to minimize it. Take the World Series title & have a parade

BigD Coug

2/17/20 10:30pm

Dodger fans don't want the title or the parade.

garyfan

2/17/20 10:36pm

Sounds like we’re on the same page then.

BigD Coug

2/17/20 10:44pm

RE: I’m an Astros fan who thinks the punishment was warranted, but now the

Pee Wee Reese

2/17/20 10:16pm

They also angered all of the players in the league. Not just Dodgers and Yankees

califcougar

2/17/20 10:39pm

Maybe I’m missing something, but why don’t the teams change

OBXCougar

2/17/20 10:14pm

It only takes one pitch to figure out the signs for the rest of the inning.

777

2/17/20 10:16pm

I don't even religiously follow baseball and that's not remotely true

gmj81

2/17/20 10:24pm

What are you talking about? It's an offspeed pitch or it isn't. It takes one

777

2/17/20 10:28pm

Any catcher or pitchers will tell you with all the signs they put down

gmj81

2/18/20 4:21am

Not if technology was used. Ear piece or an electronic board with a series of

OBXCougar

2/17/20 10:27pm

RE: Maybe I’m missing something, but why don’t the teams change

BYUfan92

2/17/20 10:25pm

It's a really big deal because it gave one team an unfair advantage, it was

germm

2/17/20 10:28pm

Worse than steroids?

Josef K

2/17/20 10:31pm

Yes

Colorado

2/17/20 10:31pm

Absolutely. Organized crime. Most if not all players, coaches involved.

germm

2/17/20 10:32pm

No question imo..

cougfanz

2/17/20 10:33pm

Don’t remember players speaking up about steroids like this, those that have

califcougar

2/17/20 10:42pm

Much. This involved cheating from management level to player level, including th

BYUfan92

2/17/20 10:45pm

But it's so much easier to combat. Change your dang signs

gmj81

2/18/20 4:31am

Not really when the Astros where using computers and cameras - opponents could

BYUfan92

2/18/20 11:55am

Yup. They got big & strong bla bla . . . They didn't know what pitch was coming.

LakeshowCougs

2/17/20 10:49pm

Right, cuz it's all about hits and misses is it?

gmj81

2/18/20 4:30am

Maybe go listen to Mark Teixeira . . . He breaks it down pretty well.

LakeshowCougs

2/18/20 7:30am

I would say you're on a small, ugly, and sparsely populated island.

Countcougula

2/17/20 10:43pm

My argument has always been the same

troutmaster13

2/18/20 4:59am

So you're saying the teams playing the Astros all knew they

germm

2/18/20 8:20am

Stealing signs from second base if you can figure them out is perfectly fine.

Colorado

2/18/20 8:34am

No one has said stealing signs isn’t ok. What isn’t ok is having a video feed in

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