Do people in ICU with "regular" flu have stays in that 3 day range? Just wonder

Mar 15, 2020
10:58:19pm

nomomtn Walk-on

why a normal flu kills 10s of thousands. What you say makes sense, but why do so many die every year and we aren't talking about capacity then?

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More die from Influenza in 2019 than Covid-19? True, but here is the problem...

doctorcoug

3/15/20 10:41pm

Thanks Doc! Good luck and stay safe!

Josef K

3/15/20 10:45pm

I deserve no award. My colleagues? Totally different situation.

doctorcoug

3/15/20 11:23pm

So many one liners we like to throw out there - are just uninformed

Boanerges

3/15/20 10:45pm

How quickly could $10B add ICU beds?

Joe Banks

3/15/20 10:46pm

Hospitals have a hard enough time staying open with all the regulations in the

fattycoug

3/15/20 10:50pm

I blame lawyers for the excessive medical regulations. Really.

BleedCougarBlue2

3/15/20 11:01pm

Don’t blame lawyers, blame Medicare. Can’t believe people want that to be the

akmewg

3/15/20 11:26pm

Lawyers pushed multi-million lawsuits for stupid medical stuff. Hospitals......

BleedCougarBlue2

3/15/20 11:46pm

Akmewg is right, the regs are much more tied to CMS, not lawyers

D.T. Survivor

3/16/20 6:52am

It’s my understanding, the facilities would not need to be that complex. The

BYU-Ite

3/15/20 11:03pm

Not even fluids which can make worse. They’re also typically hemodynamically

cougfanz

3/15/20 11:12pm

I don't know. I just know that I work at a hospital and it's almost soul crushin

fattycoug

3/15/20 11:19pm

I doubt vents can be built and shipped overnight. That's the issue.

doctorcoug

3/15/20 10:50pm

I would bet that if you put a billion or so dollars on the manufacturers desk

BYU-Ite

3/15/20 10:59pm

That my take. 100 million dollar contract. 100 million to any lab that develops

cougfanz

3/15/20 11:16pm

That is really what this entire thing boils down to - hospital capacity.

Pistol Shrimp

3/15/20 10:51pm

This is where I kind of disagree. With the damage we are doing to the economy

Lance71

3/15/20 11:21pm

You can also utilize tele medicine to have one doc manage a lot of patients

cougfanz

3/15/20 11:25pm

It's all about vents. How many ventilators are available...we already use

doctorcoug

3/15/20 11:28pm

Yup. Just making that point to others how you really don’t need a physician in

cougfanz

3/15/20 11:30pm

In a pinch, could a bi-pap machine work in place of a ventilator for some?

SafetyFirst

3/16/20 9:22am

Helps. Also concern it can spread infection more to staff. Not an end all

cougfanz

3/16/20 9:48am

We also can't sustain 6-12 months of economic upheaval, though

fattycoug

3/15/20 10:53pm

But to what extent should we worry about the economy? Is it okay to lay off hundreds of thousands

Brisco

3/15/20 10:53pm

That is the million dollar question.

idcougarfan

3/15/20 10:55pm

Why is this so hard? HOSPITALS THAT ARE OVERRUN WITH ELDERLY PATIENTS

SandYFan

3/15/20 10:55pm

So we shouldn't worry about the economy?

IceCreamButt

3/15/20 10:58pm

Don't know where I said anything about the economy. What I did talk about

SandYFan

3/15/20 10:59pm

Maybe it's time you start talking about it.

Brisco

3/15/20 11:02pm

it Sucks. People die every day that maybe could’ve been saved but we don’t put

jholling

3/15/20 11:03pm

You didn't even read my post, did you.

SandYFan

3/15/20 11:03pm

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All-American

3/15/20 11:16pm

Like you apparently didn't read briscos but looks like you still replied.

IceCreamButt

3/15/20 11:17pm

Clearly I prioritize hospital care for those who need it over economy.

SandYFan

3/15/20 11:18pm

You replied to a comment talking about what extent we should worry about the

IceCreamButt

3/15/20 11:06pm

I honestly don't care. The economy can rebound. It always has.

SandYFan

3/15/20 11:07pm

The economy will rebound, but there will be many families and individuals who go through a lot of suffering because

No touching

3/15/20 11:12pm

Better than those who need hospital care not getting it.

SandYFan

3/15/20 11:13pm

You would rather have suicides, broken homes, children suffering

kotacoug

3/15/20 11:38pm

Apparently he doesn’t care about that

mobius

3/15/20 11:43pm

Try reading.

SandYFan

3/15/20 11:46pm

I did. Found nothing that said otherwise.

mobius

3/15/20 11:49pm

You can't be bothered to read my posts, huh?

SandYFan

3/15/20 11:46pm

Could be that are choosing physical health over mental health.

jholling

3/15/20 11:38pm

Forget the hospitals for a moment. How are hundreds of thousands of laid off workers going to pay their rent and eat?

Brisco

3/15/20 11:01pm

I'd prefer not to forget about the people dying because they can't get

SandYFan

3/15/20 11:02pm

You don't have to forget about either

fattycoug

3/15/20 11:03pm

If there are so many of those, how are the old people with Covid getting admitted?

Brisco

3/15/20 11:05pm

Why is this so hard? IF YOU SHUT DOWN THE ECONOMY FOR TOO LONG TERRIBLE, TERRIBL

fattycoug

3/15/20 11:01pm

I'm going to prioritize people getting hospital treatment they need. You do

SandYFan

3/15/20 11:02pm

People who are out of work will not be able to afford medical care.

buhlcougar

3/16/20 12:13am

Show up at the ER and you'll be taken care of. It's America.

SandYFan

3/16/20 1:00am

Name checks out.

vagabonder

3/15/20 10:54pm

Do people in ICU with "regular" flu have stays in that 3 day range? Just wonder

nomomtn

3/15/20 10:58pm

The concept is it’s spread out in the flu season and not all in one week

cougfanz

3/15/20 11:07pm

This morbid, sorry about that, post-influenza pneumonia has a much faster time

doctorcoug

3/15/20 11:20pm

Thank you for all your information. The more we understand the better.

nomomtn

3/15/20 11:29pm

True. But I could also go to any hospital and send at least 50% home

cougfanz

3/15/20 11:06pm

Seems we should take empty hotels and turn them into makeshift hospitals. Especially with hotels that have kitchen

HarlemCoug

3/15/20 11:30pm

Who mans these “hospitals” without equipment or the equipment to keep u safe?

Nakedbootleg

3/15/20 11:46pm

Im guessing if this gets bad that we are going to have most of our ERs filled with vented patients.

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