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Jul 12, 2020
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Backcountry
Intervention Needed
Absolutely. Every water is different. I really appreciate the efforts of
biologists in utah. They do a really great job with management.
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Catch & Release Fishing
Goliath
7/12/20 9:18am
I'm not going to condemn anyone
byujdmba
7/12/20 9:28am
So your argument is to kill the fish, rather than to release it, because that’s somehow more ethical?
SJS
7/12/20 9:28am
RE: So your argument is to kill the fish, rather than to release it, because
85fan
7/12/20 9:30am
How about Goliath just doesn’t fish? He doesn’t need to go fishing to eat.
SJS
7/12/20 9:31am
Someone has to kill it if we're going to eat meat.
Goliath
7/12/20 9:32am
Not really. Your OP is accompanied by a bunch of articles that talk about fish feeling pain
SJS
7/12/20 9:33am
Do you suggest dynamite? What's the painless way you propose to harvest fish?
Goliath
7/12/20 9:35am
No, I don’t care about fish pain. You apparently do, although I’m not at all sure how KILLING the fish
SJS
7/12/20 9:36am
Keep thinking about it, and maybe something will come.
Goliath
7/12/20 9:39am
I definitely hope so, because your OP rationale is struggling
SJS
7/12/20 9:41am
Odysseus, will you please invite Goliath to your FO?
SJS
7/12/20 9:42am
Is there any part of you that can appreciate that only fishing for what you
Goliath
7/12/20 9:48am
Im genuinely trying to understand why it matters that fish feel pain
Backcountry
7/12/20 9:49am
I get what your saying. If causing pain is the issue, they why fish at all.
DJROSS
7/12/20 9:55am
The world is insane. Now we are supposed to feel guilty for fishing.
Backcountry
7/12/20 10:00am
Not at all. I fish because I love being outdoors and enjoying God's creation.
DJROSS
7/12/20 11:12am
Montana Outdoors magazine recently published a great article on catch & release
cougarmeister
7/12/20 9:32am
I’m all for people keeping medium sized fish. It does pain me to see people keeping the huge trout though...
letthewookieewin
7/12/20 9:35am
Absolutely. Watching people throw 18"+ fish into the cooler is painful for me.
Backcountry
7/12/20 9:43am
You would have lost your mind yesterday
TheKing
7/12/20 10:01am
So shortsighted. Kills me
Backcountry
7/12/20 10:11am
Thats just basic fisheries biology stuff. Catch and release is definitely
Backcountry
7/12/20 9:41am
Yes, but some folks are almost religious in their fervor for C&R
cougarmeister
7/12/20 9:50am
Absolutely. Every water is different. I really appreciate the efforts of
Backcountry
7/12/20 9:54am
But isn't that the reason fish and Game actually place limits on size and number
DJROSS
7/12/20 11:16am
Yeah. They often try to encourage people to keep fish in places, but many don’t. I usually don’t.
mvtoro
7/12/20 11:20am
Interesting that you had a fish swallow a fly. I’ve never seen that. 99% of the time it’s on the outer jaw
letthewookieewin
7/12/20 9:33am
It's certainly not common, but it's happened a couple of times
Goliath
7/12/20 9:40am
Seems fairly common with smaller bugs
Backcountry
7/12/20 9:44am
Maybe you weenies need to throw real meat like huge feathery streamers!
letthewookieewin
7/12/20 11:02am
RE: Maybe you weenies need to throw real meat like huge feathery streamers!
Backcountry
7/12/20 11:16am
I've seen it a few times as well.
cracka
7/12/20 9:51am
It happens pretty rarely, and usually when a fish is extremely aggressive. I was once fishing a double streamer rig.
mvtoro
7/12/20 12:10pm
Thats rad
Backcountry
7/12/20 12:17pm
I figure that if fish feel pain, they are often imposing their own predatory
BW84
7/12/20 9:34am
I see so many bearded 20 something hipsters on the water these days. If you can
Backcountry
7/12/20 9:46am
I don't think fishing is unethical. So, I'm not your man.
Goliath
7/12/20 9:49am
Just stay away from the popular rivers and you’re golden. Here it’s all these Colorado kids that do a guide school
letthewookieewin
7/12/20 10:34am
Pyramid Lake is where I have seen it the worst personally. Bearded Pabst drinkin
Backcountry
7/12/20 10:47am
Why would you not be concerned about causing pain to another living animal?
ditch
7/12/20 12:37pm
Dude, there are so many freaking things in this world to get worked up about.
Backcountry
7/12/20 12:49pm
You don't have to get worked up or lose sleep over it to give it a thought.
ditch
7/12/20 2:01pm
I wouldn’t worry about it
TheKing
7/12/20 9:52am
No way my son can eat all the fish he catches. Here’s what’s unethical:
Misteak
7/12/20 10:07am
True
Goliath
7/12/20 10:11am
I catch quite a few fish with hooks in their mouths. Totally anecdotal but those
Lance71
7/12/20 10:12am
As a dad of young children, I wonder what to do about this
cougarBee
7/12/20 10:14am
Using a casting bubble with a spinning rod, with 5 ft of leader and a fly
Goliath
7/12/20 10:19am
Little kids can fly fish. You just adjust what you have them do. When they’re really young they’re happy just reeling
mvtoro
7/12/20 11:11am
Pic of the oldest, 12 y/o with her first of the year, 10 y/o tying his first fly (which he has caught a fish on now, 7
mvtoro
7/12/20 11:19am
I have always been taught
TheHop
7/12/20 10:20am
The science is far from settled in fish and pain. There was also a study that
BNcoug
7/12/20 10:28am
They don’t seem to have nerve endings in their mouths...just cartilage. Am I
Misteak
7/12/20 10:44am
I don’t know.
BNcoug
7/12/20 11:05am
I don’t think it matters. “Pain” is only triggered by nerve endings. It doesn’t actually exist outside of the brain that
mvtoro
7/12/20 12:02pm
Wow! Is there now going to be an FLM movement? We CnR all the time. Not stopping
TheWoodman
7/12/20 10:42am
Not from me. But I think they are questions worth considering.
Goliath
7/12/20 10:57am
That movement already exists, it’s called PETA
cougarmeister
7/12/20 1:47pm
What about fishing for raccoons from the cabin balcony? Is that unethical now?
panguitch
7/12/20 10:50am
Coon and cat fishing remain a gray area
Goliath
7/12/20 10:58am
“Pain” and more specifically “suffering” exists in the mind (brain) and is only signaled from the nerve endings. Fish
mvtoro
7/12/20 11:40am
I also think it’s important that C&R fisherman come to accept that all fishing is eventually a blood sport. We limit
mvtoro
7/12/20 11:58am
I think there is validity in most of what you're saying here.
Goliath
7/12/20 12:15pm
Well do what you feel good with, but I’d recommend starting with the understanding that fish don’t experience anything
mvtoro
7/12/20 12:31pm
I always try to release. If I can't then I eat it.
Jacksonian76
7/12/20 1:15pm
Here's my theory...
ditch
7/12/20 12:25pm
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