Pic of the oldest, 12 y/o with her first of the year, 10 y/o tying his first fly (which he has caught a fish on now, 7

Jul 12, 2020
11:19:26am

mvtoro Scrub

y/o with a fish that I had to cast for but he did the rest. Also the first fish he ever caught and ate.

And 7 y/o being guided by 6 y/o 🤣

Fly fishing still works for littles. You just need to help a little more as they learn.

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Time

Catch & Release Fishing

Goliath

7/12/20 9:18am

I'm not going to condemn anyone

byujdmba

7/12/20 9:28am

So your argument is to kill the fish, rather than to release it, because that’s somehow more ethical?

SJS

7/12/20 9:28am

RE: So your argument is to kill the fish, rather than to release it, because

85fan

7/12/20 9:30am

How about Goliath just doesn’t fish? He doesn’t need to go fishing to eat.

SJS

7/12/20 9:31am

Someone has to kill it if we're going to eat meat.

Goliath

7/12/20 9:32am

Not really. Your OP is accompanied by a bunch of articles that talk about fish feeling pain

SJS

7/12/20 9:33am

Do you suggest dynamite? What's the painless way you propose to harvest fish?

Goliath

7/12/20 9:35am

No, I don’t care about fish pain. You apparently do, although I’m not at all sure how KILLING the fish

SJS

7/12/20 9:36am

Keep thinking about it, and maybe something will come.

Goliath

7/12/20 9:39am

I definitely hope so, because your OP rationale is struggling

SJS

7/12/20 9:41am

Odysseus, will you please invite Goliath to your FO?

SJS

7/12/20 9:42am

Is there any part of you that can appreciate that only fishing for what you

Goliath

7/12/20 9:48am

Im genuinely trying to understand why it matters that fish feel pain

Backcountry

7/12/20 9:49am

I get what your saying. If causing pain is the issue, they why fish at all.

DJROSS

7/12/20 9:55am

The world is insane. Now we are supposed to feel guilty for fishing.

Backcountry

7/12/20 10:00am

Not at all. I fish because I love being outdoors and enjoying God's creation.

DJROSS

7/12/20 11:12am

Montana Outdoors magazine recently published a great article on catch & release

cougarmeister

7/12/20 9:32am

I’m all for people keeping medium sized fish. It does pain me to see people keeping the huge trout though...

letthewookieewin

7/12/20 9:35am

Absolutely. Watching people throw 18"+ fish into the cooler is painful for me.

Backcountry

7/12/20 9:43am

You would have lost your mind yesterday

TheKing

7/12/20 10:01am

So shortsighted. Kills me

Backcountry

7/12/20 10:11am

Thats just basic fisheries biology stuff. Catch and release is definitely

Backcountry

7/12/20 9:41am

Yes, but some folks are almost religious in their fervor for C&R

cougarmeister

7/12/20 9:50am

Absolutely. Every water is different. I really appreciate the efforts of

Backcountry

7/12/20 9:54am

But isn't that the reason fish and Game actually place limits on size and number

DJROSS

7/12/20 11:16am

Yeah. They often try to encourage people to keep fish in places, but many don’t. I usually don’t.

mvtoro

7/12/20 11:20am

Interesting that you had a fish swallow a fly. I’ve never seen that. 99% of the time it’s on the outer jaw

letthewookieewin

7/12/20 9:33am

It's certainly not common, but it's happened a couple of times

Goliath

7/12/20 9:40am

Seems fairly common with smaller bugs

Backcountry

7/12/20 9:44am

Maybe you weenies need to throw real meat like huge feathery streamers!

letthewookieewin

7/12/20 11:02am

RE: Maybe you weenies need to throw real meat like huge feathery streamers!

Backcountry

7/12/20 11:16am

I've seen it a few times as well.

cracka

7/12/20 9:51am

It happens pretty rarely, and usually when a fish is extremely aggressive. I was once fishing a double streamer rig.

mvtoro

7/12/20 12:10pm

Thats rad

Backcountry

7/12/20 12:17pm

I figure that if fish feel pain, they are often imposing their own predatory

BW84

7/12/20 9:34am

I see so many bearded 20 something hipsters on the water these days. If you can

Backcountry

7/12/20 9:46am

I don't think fishing is unethical. So, I'm not your man.

Goliath

7/12/20 9:49am

Just stay away from the popular rivers and you’re golden. Here it’s all these Colorado kids that do a guide school

letthewookieewin

7/12/20 10:34am

Pyramid Lake is where I have seen it the worst personally. Bearded Pabst drinkin

Backcountry

7/12/20 10:47am

Why would you not be concerned about causing pain to another living animal?

ditch

7/12/20 12:37pm

Dude, there are so many freaking things in this world to get worked up about.

Backcountry

7/12/20 12:49pm

You don't have to get worked up or lose sleep over it to give it a thought.

ditch

7/12/20 2:01pm

I wouldn’t worry about it

TheKing

7/12/20 9:52am

No way my son can eat all the fish he catches. Here’s what’s unethical:

Misteak

7/12/20 10:07am

True

Goliath

7/12/20 10:11am

I catch quite a few fish with hooks in their mouths. Totally anecdotal but those

Lance71

7/12/20 10:12am

As a dad of young children, I wonder what to do about this

cougarBee

7/12/20 10:14am

Using a casting bubble with a spinning rod, with 5 ft of leader and a fly

Goliath

7/12/20 10:19am

Little kids can fly fish. You just adjust what you have them do. When they’re really young they’re happy just reeling

mvtoro

7/12/20 11:11am

Pic of the oldest, 12 y/o with her first of the year, 10 y/o tying his first fly (which he has caught a fish on now, 7

mvtoro

7/12/20 11:19am

I have always been taught

TheHop

7/12/20 10:20am

The science is far from settled in fish and pain. There was also a study that

BNcoug

7/12/20 10:28am

They don’t seem to have nerve endings in their mouths...just cartilage. Am I

Misteak

7/12/20 10:44am

I don’t know.

BNcoug

7/12/20 11:05am

I don’t think it matters. “Pain” is only triggered by nerve endings. It doesn’t actually exist outside of the brain that

mvtoro

7/12/20 12:02pm

Wow! Is there now going to be an FLM movement? We CnR all the time. Not stopping

TheWoodman

7/12/20 10:42am

Not from me. But I think they are questions worth considering.

Goliath

7/12/20 10:57am

That movement already exists, it’s called PETA

cougarmeister

7/12/20 1:47pm

What about fishing for raccoons from the cabin balcony? Is that unethical now?

panguitch

7/12/20 10:50am

Coon and cat fishing remain a gray area

Goliath

7/12/20 10:58am

“Pain” and more specifically “suffering” exists in the mind (brain) and is only signaled from the nerve endings. Fish

mvtoro

7/12/20 11:40am

I also think it’s important that C&R fisherman come to accept that all fishing is eventually a blood sport. We limit

mvtoro

7/12/20 11:58am

I think there is validity in most of what you're saying here.

Goliath

7/12/20 12:15pm

Well do what you feel good with, but I’d recommend starting with the understanding that fish don’t experience anything

mvtoro

7/12/20 12:31pm

I always try to release. If I can't then I eat it.

Jacksonian76

7/12/20 1:15pm

Here's my theory...

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