RE: And yet he's still with the same girl...& still with BYU.

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Apr 21, 2021
12:12:49pm

Pangare 3rd String

RE: And yet he's still with the same girl...& still with BYU.

I am definitely a Harvey fan (and a Luke fan too) but we are talking about hypothetical GOAT RUNNING BACK, not life after BYU. If Harvey had stayed, he would likely be the GOAT, if Luke had lead us to an undefeated season, I think he would be the GOAT....obviously neither thing happened.

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Who is BYU's RB GOAT? Debating Harvey vs Luke vs Jamaal one more time

climps

4/21/21 9:48am

This wouldn't even be a question if Harvey had played four years

Coop

4/21/21 9:50am

To this I would add...GIANT "what if..." for Ronny Jenkins

Michael McQuain

4/21/21 9:59am

3rd best season by any BYU player (behind Luke '01 and Harvey '07). Big what if

climps

4/21/21 10:18am

I'm with you. When eligible he was great.

oldrugger

4/21/21 10:39am

but he didn't

Pangare

4/21/21 11:30am

And yet he's still with the same girl...& still with BYU.

SinkingQuffa

4/21/21 11:47am

RE: And yet he's still with the same girl...& still with BYU.

Pangare

4/21/21 12:12pm

Anyone who watched Luke Staley play knows he’s the best.

Ham

4/21/21 9:53am

When healthy, Luke Staley was the best. Jamaal and Harvey

4/21/21 9:58am

I think the best requires consistency, duration. Can't be a one hit wonder.

4/21/21 10:08am

Luke was not really a one hit wonder

Dan

4/21/21 11:32am

Agreed. Freshman year is better than we remember

climps

4/21/21 11:38am

unless that one year was truly spectacular

icecougar

4/21/21 12:17pm

The best for that system built for him.

4/21/21 10:04am

Also, made of glass

Backcountry

4/21/21 10:04am

Luke was a one season wonder

donnerstag

4/21/21 10:04am

if you ding Luke because of scheme you have to ding Detmer, Young, McMahon..

icecougar

4/21/21 12:13pm

GOAT status requires career achievements

donnerstag

4/21/21 1:38pm

yes but it's not limited to career achievements only especially when...

icecougar

4/21/21 3:08pm

If you have the 9th best scoring season in NCAA history ...

climps

4/21/21 3:29pm

Doak Walker

(Private)

4/21/21 4:26pm

No he wasn't.

idacoug

4/21/21 2:48pm

If you start ranking the best seasons by a RB in BYU history

donnerstag

4/21/21 2:58pm

Zach is a covid season wonder and he's worshipped on here.

MrClark

4/21/21 7:47pm

No question. Luke was the greatest talent, then Jenkins

fulano

4/21/21 10:05am

Staley gets my vote.

oldrugger

4/21/21 10:39am

You nailed it. It isn't even a legit debate in my mind.

ALUF 1990

4/21/21 10:51am

Luuuuuuuke. 7 yards per carry or something like that. And it was legit.

Dr MoBYU

4/21/21 11:34am

Staley has the hardware. Doak. End of discussion

bad84cougar

4/21/21 5:53pm

Harvey

Kama'aina

4/21/21 9:55am

The opinion of a Ute fan: Luke and Harvey tie. Very different

4/21/21 9:58am

I was very curious about a Ute's opinion, thanks for sharing.

climps

4/21/21 10:11am

Harvey and Luke struck fear in my heart, Jamal not as much. Just my take.

4/21/21 10:32am

I would also say Luke & Harvery had superior olines

LakeshowCougs

4/21/21 10:16am

I can’t comment on that, but obviously you know a lot better than me, and

4/21/21 10:31am

Did you play on Utah's team? Staley's 8.1 yards per carry is ridiculous. He did

ALUF 1990

4/21/21 10:55am

His sideline scamper for a TD to beat the Utes was unreal!

lbmango

4/21/21 11:11am

2 TD's and a 2pt conversion in the last couple of minutes to win it

icecougar

4/21/21 12:43pm

Sorry what I wrote was misleading. I was not a player. Edited it to make that

4/21/21 11:39am

So your college playing career lasted seven years?

CougarThug

4/21/21 11:23am

Unga. And yes, he was better than Staley and Williams.

Backcountry

4/21/21 10:04am

Luke Staley is the best, but the most durable and powerful is Unga.

idacoug

4/21/21 2:46pm

^^^^^these are the words I was looking for to differentiate Staley and Unga.

Pangare

4/21/21 3:23pm

Luke was more explosive, Unga more durable seemed to be the best at always

kotacoug

4/21/21 10:05am

Jamaal Williams. His senior yr tipped him over the top for me

4/21/21 10:21am

Doesn't Pete VonValkenberg still hold the season record. No. 1 in the nation?

oldrugger

4/21/21 10:41am

My long take on Pete, fwiw

climps

4/21/21 11:16am

IMO, 6 backs belong in tier 1: Unga, Williams, Staley, Jenkins, Willis, Brown

The Y's Insider

4/21/21 10:43am

This is pretty much how I ended up thinking about it too

climps

4/21/21 12:08pm

I love all those guys, but it’s Luke Staley by a mile. He had an extra gear.

TunaNoCrust

4/21/21 10:44am

Jenkins was faster and shiftier than Luke

donnerstag

4/21/21 10:54am

factor in size and goal line ability and it starts to tilt this in Luke's...

icecougar

4/21/21 12:25pm

And everything else to go with it as far as system and personnel.

4/21/21 3:37pm

Staley...no question

4/21/21 11:07am

FYI here's a rapid fire summary of the post with my answers to the questions

climps

4/21/21 11:12am

if you could pick either Luke, Harvey, or Jamaal as a 2022 recruit signee ...

Dan

4/21/21 11:26am

and my second RB recruit would be Ronny Jenkins, by the way

Dan

4/21/21 11:27am

We aren't talking about potential. We are basing this on perform & reality.

The Y's Insider

4/21/21 11:34am

Oh, I still believe Luke is the GOAT based on actual results. My point was ...

Dan

4/21/21 12:24pm

I mean this the same way in a debate on who is the GOAT at QB for BYU

Dan

4/21/21 12:33pm

I would love to see people's RB ranking stratified by the fan's age

4/21/21 12:47pm

You can't toss out their injury history or schematic strengths/weaknesses

4/21/21 11:38am

I am not tossing out those things

Dan

4/21/21 4:37pm

I take Harvey because Luke was just injury prone. I want a guy for four seasons

(Private)

4/21/21 4:28pm

And yet, ironically, BYU did not have Harvey for four seasons

Dan

4/21/21 4:41pm

Yep. But easier I believe to help with HC issues rather than injuries.

(Private)

4/21/21 4:48pm

Yes, but if people are ok considering someone with a career less than 4 years

Dan

4/21/21 4:59pm

Jamaal. Luke had the best single season. Harvey could have been the best if

LifeLongLakerFan

4/21/21 11:40am

Thanks for the thoughts. Been enough interest I'll post the link to part 2

climps

4/21/21 11:50am

Staley averaged 8 yds per touch and the goalline cut a lot of runs short!

Hill4Heisman

4/21/21 11:51am

and he was the best goal line back of the bunch and it's not even close...

icecougar

4/21/21 12:40pm

Peak Staley is clearly the best, but Jamaal had the best career. Unga is #2.

Hill4Heisman

4/21/21 11:52am

Yet Staley w/out a special pitch guy like Doman - woulda struggled within space.

SinkingQuffa

4/21/21 11:57am

and would Jamaal have been as successful w/o defenses 100% focused on Taysom...

icecougar

4/21/21 12:29pm

Probably not. I think Harvey did the most on his own of the 3, probably.

SinkingQuffa

4/21/21 1:15pm

I think even Harvey benefited greatly by the OC's scheme...

icecougar

4/21/21 2:01pm

I think he woulda thrived in that as good as Jamaal. Only less finesse &

SinkingQuffa

4/21/21 3:46pm

100% focused on Taysom? Please.

4/21/21 3:20pm

I agree except that Unga's consistency isn't enough to put him above Staley

4/21/21 12:48pm

Jenkins. Best pure back BYU has had.

Mathew

4/21/21 12:34pm

Sorry Staley has the hardware

BYU Grounds

4/21/21 12:37pm

Excellent read! Impressive information and love the funny jabs at Utah.

Tuskaloosa Cougar

4/21/21 1:16pm

Between Harvey and Jamaal I think Harvey was better up through their Jr seasons.

4/21/21 1:35pm

an interesting angle to consider is...

icecougar

4/21/21 2:47pm

Correct, rivalry performance is a knock on Jamaal for sure.

climps

4/21/21 2:59pm

No, it's literally not.

4/21/21 3:43pm

The rivalry game matters to me. And Jamaal never factored in one.

climps

4/21/21 3:57pm

your argument could be applied to just about every comparison of players..

icecougar

4/21/21 6:22pm

It's not an angle to consider at all. It carries no weight here.

4/21/21 3:20pm

Sure it is. Running style and individual ability to get yards after initial...

icecougar

4/21/21 6:44pm

Had Harvey played his final year he would be the goat. My pick is Luke.

CT98

4/21/21 4:21pm

Staley and it's not close. Luke was the best running back in the country.

AFitisemanu

4/21/21 4:25pm

The world may never know how good Harvey was since the mtn. network looked like:

flyonawall

4/21/21 7:00pm

Staley highlights were bad. Trying to identify players was like looking at this

4/21/21 7:11pm

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