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Apr 21, 2021
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Did beating Utah make John Beck’s career better?
By that same token, ZW’s career would have been better if he beat Utah.
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I hate that you're making me write this.
Ham
4/21/21 4:53pm
I blame it on Recency Bias.
Y-Zag
4/21/21 4:55pm
I blame it on either Decoy Effect or Gambler's Fallacy
jamalccc
4/21/21 8:37pm
I blame it on not beating Utah
King of Y
4/21/21 11:37pm
Yeah. For those of you so young Max Hall was your childhood icon.
SinkingQuffa
4/22/21 7:35am
agree, wish him absolute best, but that is some tough company
byu1
4/21/21 4:57pm
No records?
cougfanblue
4/21/21 4:58pm
Basing my info on Cougarstats
Ham
4/21/21 5:00pm
That's fine, but there are more QB stats than the 4 they have on there.
cougfanblue
4/21/21 5:02pm
Agreed ... Zach's career stats compare favorably with any of BYU's top QB's
ManicBlue
4/21/21 5:31pm
Top one? That's just not right. Top four, probably not unless he had come back.
All-American
4/21/21 5:06pm
You’re saying he’s too good to be considered top 4, because he’s a top-2 draft pick. That’s messed up.
cougfanblue
4/21/21 5:09pm
Look, the guy never beat Utah.
All-American
4/21/21 5:33pm
Utah was a high school team compared to where they are now
ManicBlue
4/21/21 5:48pm
Hold on, are you discounting BYU's Heisman winner in an effort to win this
kos
4/21/21 7:06pm
Obviously not discounting the Heisman. smh
ManicBlue
4/21/21 8:17pm
Put Zach in Lavell’s offensive system and he’s all of those things.
cougfanblue
4/21/21 5:52pm
Do you realize how many yards Ty Detmer would have had in 1989 if he
Y05
4/23/21 3:01pm
And soon he’ll have the record for the highest draft spot in BYU history.
cougfanblue
4/21/21 5:07pm
Top one? He didn't win any awards. He didn't really win anything
Alpi Gusto
4/21/21 5:18pm
Yeah, he's not close to top 1.
volleyjiver
4/21/21 5:56pm
Winning awards is an unfair measuring stick now. Non P5 players aren’t winning
DiamondMo
4/21/21 6:15pm
In addition, Zach passed Sark for best career completion percentage too.
ManicBlue
4/21/21 6:40pm
Completion percentage and Y/A have more to do with era than with QB talent
krindorr
4/25/21 11:31am
Agreed. Those records are significant. I'd rate him 4th in that photo. The eye
Forzaitalia
4/21/21 7:42pm
I can't believe you are making me post this:
Turnpike Lane
4/21/21 5:08pm
Maybe not an ‘all-time great’ according to your def. but he is top 2 “best”
Zaphod
4/21/21 5:10pm
Marc Wilson, BYU's first consensus All-American and 2x Super Bowl champ would
Parker Schnabel
4/21/21 5:10pm
Albeit minor roles in those two Super Bowl wins.
lightmann
4/21/21 5:58pm
If you don't beat Utah then you're not top 4
cambo
4/21/21 5:10pm
Please. In the days those guys beat Utah, it was like beating USU now. Which he did. And those are the facts.
Turnpike Lane
4/21/21 5:13pm
Your facts don't negate my facts
cambo
4/21/21 5:18pm
Also, ZW never beat USU either
cambo
4/21/21 5:23pm
Never started against them
Charles Darwin
4/21/21 5:30pm
Yes, but he never had a season ending injury against them either.
Parker Schnabel
4/21/21 10:38pm
Team accomplishment, sorry.
Lip Gallagher
4/21/21 5:25pm
Did beating Utah make John Beck’s career better?
All-American
4/21/21 7:18pm
Agreed. He capitalized on the cards 2020 dealt better than anyone else
LifelongAP
4/21/21 5:12pm
2020 was more like the schedules of the other 3 greats. And his year was best.
Turnpike Lane
4/21/21 5:17pm
Ty beat the #1 team in the country
AF Cougar
4/21/21 8:30pm
Young beat Pac 10 and Rose Bowl champ on the road.
Y05
4/22/21 2:11am
I guess I wasn’t around for some of those guys you mention but...
stenso
4/21/21 5:17pm
*except John Beck. Zach may throw a better ball, but Beck’s motion was just
flyonawall
4/21/21 7:28pm
Your ignorance is so sweet.
LaVellIfIKnow
4/21/21 5:20pm
Drafted #2 overall seems pretty significant to me.. you can't just discount NFL
GhostRider
4/21/21 5:22pm
Depends. Would you call Ziggy the best defensive player ever at BYU?
Parker Schnabel
4/21/21 10:40pm
I'm not saying it makes him the best QB to play at BYU, but it is significant.
GhostRider
4/22/21 1:31am
Love ZW but you're right and it's a testament to the history of BYU QBs
krindorr
4/21/21 5:27pm
Did you watch this season?
ParentingNotForSissy
4/21/21 5:29pm
My list having watched them all in person except Nielsen and Carter
ManicBlue
4/21/21 5:40pm
you give sark a lot more credit than most, I agree. The 96 team may be best ever
nybyblue
4/21/21 5:50pm
I agree about Steve Young. Take away his NFL career and i don't think people
GhostRider
4/21/21 5:51pm
2nd in the Heisman is pretty elite
stansburycoug
4/22/21 9:12pm
I can get behind this list.
BlackBart
4/21/21 5:52pm
Honestly, growing up as a Utah fan, Sark never impressed or scared me
krindorr
4/21/21 6:12pm
RE: Honestly, growing up as a Utah fan, Sark never impressed or scared me
ManicBlue
4/21/21 6:22pm
Like I said, it could just be bias because of the lens I saw him through
krindorr
4/22/21 7:27am
Sark was definitely not the issue his Sr year.
ManicBlue
4/22/21 3:59pm
Like I said, it was largely a matter of perspective
krindorr
4/22/21 4:23pm
I agree with this list.
cougfanblue
4/21/21 6:33pm
Young was a better pro than college, but still top 3, maybe 2.
ochobeeguy
4/21/21 7:08pm
That’s true, but only because he was one of the best pro QBs ever from any school. He was still amazing in college. Only
mvtoro
4/22/21 2:05pm
Nope, Marc Wilson was not #9
AF Cougar
4/21/21 8:33pm
Your list?
ManicBlue
4/22/21 12:35am
Pretty decent list. But beck was better than hall IMO and Sark, Marc, and Young
ColonelMustard
4/22/21 12:11am
Maybe the answer is to make BYU QB Mt Rushmore 6 faces instead of 4
gww687
4/21/21 5:49pm
Why don't we go with nine faces
Wingnut
4/21/21 5:55pm
No No No, 11 play the game, 11 are on the mountain. Who destroyed Texas twice?
nybyblue
4/21/21 5:58pm
Beck and Marc Wilson are not ahead of Z. Wilson
BlackBart
4/21/21 5:51pm
Beating Utah should also be a requirement.
fudgers
4/21/21 5:54pm
This is a silly and unfair measurement
deliciousmocha
4/21/21 8:51pm
Just was about to type this. Greats beat Utah. He never did.
P-Widdy
4/21/21 8:55pm
Utah was not the power in Young, McMahon and Detmer's day that it was in Zach's.
Forzaitalia
4/21/21 10:23pm
Apples and oranges with the QBs from **checks notes** ~40 years ago
DanSmith
4/21/21 6:06pm
I haven’t given it a ton of thought but ZW needed more meaningful wins for me
climps
4/21/21 6:11pm
No one else beat Tennessee at Knoxville
kiyoshige
4/21/21 6:18pm
Tennessee?
cougssu
4/21/21 6:38pm
Boise State is still picking pieces of the blue turf out of their ears.
Y05
4/22/21 7:48pm
Covid. Nuff said.
MrClark
4/21/21 6:51pm
ZW is probably the most talented QB in BYU history. But he isn't the most
mudpupper
4/21/21 7:59pm
No kidding. Like him, but good grief the overhype is at Provo levels with ZW.
dccoug
4/21/21 8:50pm
I bet that the vast majority of those saying ZW deserves to be in the top 4 are
BleedCougarBlue2
4/21/21 9:04pm
Even more that never saw Marc Wilson, or Virgil Carter throwing to Phil Odle
AF Cougar
4/21/21 9:30pm
I’m 41 but didn’t get into football until Sarkisian....
ByuImaginesDragons
4/21/21 9:48pm
Max was great in many ways, but if he had Wilson's talent
SinkingQuffa
4/21/21 10:18pm
Ummm, he won more games than any other QB in BYU history.
gww687
4/21/21 10:28pm
Did anything I say suggest I don't accept or honor that record & great career?
SinkingQuffa
4/21/21 10:44pm
*The team won... If you want to compare a QB to another QB, you have to take into account supporting cast, opponent,
mvtoro
4/22/21 12:43am
Yeah, but there are seven he lost.
All-American
4/23/21 1:09pm
Steve Sarkisian, Doman would be favorable comparisons for BYU careers
stansburycoug
4/21/21 11:17pm
Sark may be the most underrated of the greats.
lightmann
4/23/21 1:04pm
RE: I hate that you're making me write this.
Pangare
4/22/21 6:46am
Bosco has to make the Rushmore, he won a natty
ZeldaCoug
4/22/21 7:50am
His season was an all-timer, not his career.
'69chevy
4/22/21 9:42am
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