I don't think it's class size. Studies have shown ideal class size to be closer

May 6, 2021
12:39:54pm

RUNBYU1 All-American

to 20 students. Malcolm Gladwell lays it all out in one of his books (Outliers?).
The rest of this is fantastic and I wish we did it here.

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How many school days SHOULD we have?

Xenon

5/6/21 6:21am

Helping my kids with online school last year was enlightening

5150man

5/6/21 6:32am

Exactly. We first need to make better use of the days we have.

KingDave

5/6/21 6:55am

Yep, our first round of ZOOM school was 1/2 the contact hours

Xenon

5/6/21 7:04am

How effective was it? I get that kids are going to love it. Anybody would when

SUAVO

5/6/21 7:19am

MY ADHD kid actually THRIVED in that system...

Xenon

5/6/21 7:47am

Busy work was probably happening because they were online

Jeffacka

5/6/21 7:20am

Memorial Day to Labor Day off.

geddylee

5/6/21 6:33am

Amen. I'm getting more and more convinced that people want "Free Day Care" at the excuse of "think of the children".

Bert609

5/6/21 7:28am

Use the days more effectively.

Baron

5/6/21 6:35am

Totally agree ... not so much wasted time.

Xenon

5/6/21 7:00am

The big question is how to be more effective, not that they need to be more

SUAVO

5/6/21 7:14am

As I said above ... My ADHD kid thrive in the Zoom School format....

Xenon

5/6/21 8:11am

I already have to do that based on the number of kids who take vacation.

Jeffacka

5/6/21 3:39pm

THAT's part of why year round would be good... spread out vacation days

Xenon

5/6/21 5:04pm

It still happens in my school.

Jeffacka

5/6/21 6:49pm

We had school from Labor day to June ~28. Standardized tests were mid May

novacoug1

5/6/21 6:38am

More seat time does not equal more learning! We need less if anything.

Adwight

5/6/21 6:55am

Does less equal more learning?

SUAVO

5/6/21 7:03am

In my experience this year as a teacher, yes. Less is more.

Adwight

5/6/21 8:08am

I say 4 days/week in school with 1 day for homework with school out by 230

cougfanz

5/6/21 7:01am

There needs to be 4 day work week then also. Which I think should happen anyway

Kerbouchard

5/6/21 7:22am

Some districts in AZ are doing 4 day weeks.

Jeffacka

5/6/21 7:24am

That's what my school district has done this school year

Belboz

5/6/21 7:35am

The districts surrounding mine have done this for years.

Jeffacka

5/6/21 8:59am

I’d only do that for high school and maybe middle school

KingDave

5/6/21 7:26am

It's not.

Jeffacka

5/6/21 7:27am

Agree. But it doesn’t stop coming. Also agree I wouldn’t do

cougfanz

5/6/21 8:12am

The only homework I give is unfinished classwork.

Jeffacka

5/6/21 8:59am

That would’ve worked in the 80’s. Not now. The economy is too dependent on

StalwartBraveTrue

5/6/21 8:41am

Yea agree. Would be too much pushback

cougfanz

5/6/21 8:50am

But I would really love a 4 day school week. So many opportunities.

StalwartBraveTrue

5/6/21 9:58am

I don't know. I taught at a 200 day school in ghetto Phoenix.

Jeffacka

5/6/21 7:19am

Was that 200 days straight(ish)...roughly 40 weeks straight? or "year round"

Xenon

5/6/21 8:09am

200 straight.

Jeffacka

5/6/21 9:00am

Yeah, OUCH! need some breaks...

Xenon

5/6/21 5:05pm

Finland is a good example of education. Finland students attend 190 days..BUT

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

5/6/21 7:57am

I've loved my middle/high school kids getting off early each day during COVID

runnincoug

5/6/21 8:33am

In terms of discipline, at least at my school, it has dropped SIGNIFICANTLY..

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

5/6/21 9:06am

My ideal educational model would be to use fuse the Finish model with the

FabLabCougar

5/6/21 8:46am

What do you mean "we've been doing it here in Denver"?

RUNBYU1

5/6/21 12:50pm

In the district I teach in (Cherry Creek), we have partnerships with local

FabLabCougar

5/6/21 7:41pm

I would also like to see more vocational training ... but Swiss/German system ..

Xenon

5/6/21 5:10pm

Agreed. I also think that we shouldn't "track kids" too early, but for sure by

FabLabCougar

5/6/21 7:23pm

All the Finnish-heritage students in America do well in standardized testing too

lukeskywalker

5/6/21 8:46am

interesting that in the graph, there is a huge difference

Pangare

5/6/21 9:09am

I wonder when the world will wake up to this huge issue

KingDave

5/6/21 9:15am

Well, that's very similar to white supremacy. The patriarchy is the root of evil

EtTuKalante

5/6/21 7:05pm

I've found that the female students are much better behaved and achieve more

Adwight

5/6/21 10:26am

The explanation I've heard is that the format for schooling is more conducive to female students

KingDave

5/6/21 10:37am

Bingo...

Xenon

5/6/21 5:20pm

The reason, as KD says, is that education is largely female, and designed

runnincoug

5/6/21 11:09am

Been saying this for years, we are spread way too thin as a society when it

Mitty

5/6/21 10:11am

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BlueMark

5/6/21 11:37am

Finland's population is relatively small and homogenous.

BlueMark

5/6/21 11:42am

Wonder how Finland compares with students in single parent households?

stirmac

5/6/21 11:57am

Problem is any studies that remotely touch that topic are labeled as racist

FabLabCougar

5/6/21 12:10pm

Too bad, because single parent families occur regardless of skin color ...

stirmac

5/6/21 12:18pm

MANY years ago...Biggest indicator of success was "Hours Adult in Home spent....

Xenon

5/6/21 5:17pm

I don't think it's class size. Studies have shown ideal class size to be closer

RUNBYU1

5/6/21 12:39pm

malcolm gladwell? well then, I'm sold!

lukeskywalker

5/6/21 1:55pm

My 20 student classes always outperform the 30 student classes, and its not even

Adwight

5/6/21 2:57pm

Pffftt. Excuses, excuses. 😉

StalwartBraveTrue

5/6/21 3:28pm

If I remember correctly, studies showed 23 to be the ideal number of students

RUNBYU1

5/6/21 4:15pm

We hosted a Finnish exchange student. He got straight As while hardly ever doing

BYUlv

5/6/21 1:01pm

misleading article, it lists 10 differences, which is different than reasons why

Hill4Heisman

5/6/21 1:13pm

They don’t have to deal with mass immigration from uneducated foreigners

chazen

5/6/21 3:10pm

Funny his link to references/source data is broken

BYU'01

5/6/21 4:31pm

Finland is also a tiny country - just 5.5 million people, and barely more

MyTwoCents

5/6/21 7:38pm

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