This says intersex is about 2 in 10,000

Jun 23, 2021
11:00:14am

ParentingNotForSissy Contributor

The true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%

How common is intersex? a response to Anne Fausto-Sterling - PubMed

Anne Fausto-Sterling s suggestion that the prevalence of intersex might be as high as 1.7% has attracted wide attention in both the scholarly press and the popular media. Many reviewers are not aware that this figure includes conditions which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex, such as Kli...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

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I have yet to hear a valid point for why trans men competing w/women is fair.

Ned Schneebly

6/23/21 7:14am

The male skeleton on which the trans person is now built, developed as a male

Iman23

6/23/21 7:22am

You mean women ruin it for women again

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

6/23/21 8:18am

You mean males ruin it for females again.

LeftOfNormal

6/23/21 8:52am

I was joking

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

6/23/21 9:05am

It was funny. I laughed.

LeftOfNormal

6/23/21 9:13am

The reason is in your signature. Seriously.

Ripliancum

6/23/21 9:23am

Oh the irony.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 9:31am

our president is complicit in this. He's for it. That should tick off women

Mayor of Cougartown

6/24/21 7:48am

I don't think there will be any push back until women's activists start talking seriously about it.

John Doe

6/23/21 7:23am

This. Will be a battle of wokeness and only they will decide

cougfanz

6/23/21 8:02am

There have been some. They've been derisively labeled TERFs by the far left

reddead

6/23/21 9:08am

Yup, I’ve been watching this and laughing because we’ve been trying to sell the

Blue chunks

6/23/21 12:11pm

Right!!! Woman are so different than men....

IAmACougarManSir....

6/23/21 1:43pm

RE: Right!!! Woman are so different than men....

Carnac

6/23/21 1:55pm

Right!! If a woman were president she’d start wars and stuff.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 1:57pm

RE: Right!! If a woman were president she’d start wars and stuff.

Carnac

6/23/21 2:00pm

How dare you equate daughters of god to filthy spitting animals?!?

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 2:21pm

The women who are critical of it (of which there are many) are censored.

royal_blue

6/23/21 8:04am

See JK Rowling

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 9:15am

What about her? I don't follow Harry Potter.

John Doe

6/23/21 10:03am

She made some comments about how biological females need to be recognized

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 10:07am

Not even that. Her point is simply that women are women and trans women are trans women. Women have certain needs that

YIsForBrigham

6/23/21 10:09am

Thank you. I knew it was something like that.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 10:16am

RE: She made some comments about how biological females need to be recognized

imdocrob

6/23/21 12:19pm

Men and non-liberals will get shouted down here - need the libs to change tune

BYUfan92

6/23/21 12:27pm

wait until trans women start playing on the women's national soccer team...

icecougar

6/23/21 12:49pm

It won’t until we stop redefining simple words and phrases…

RealityCheck

6/24/21 5:58am

You seem to believe liberty and equality are opposites and mutually exclusive.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/24/21 8:17am

They aren’t always. My dad always said (and he is right), “Fair doesn’t mean

BYU-Ite

6/24/21 8:19am

Agree.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/24/21 10:51pm

Trans woman you mean?

BlackBart

6/23/21 7:23am

The average biological male has a significant advantage over the average

Corn Pop

6/23/21 7:24am

women’s olympic track and field times

brick oven

6/23/21 7:30am

And Serena and Venus lost to the 200th ranked men’s player in 1998/99

BlackBart

6/23/21 7:37am

Link:

BYU-Ite

6/23/21 7:44am

And the dream team lost to a bunch of select college players before 92 Olympics

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 8:02am

Did the women's olympic coach throw the game on purpose to prove to the players

here's to hoping

6/23/21 8:39am

It entirely proves the point that these situational scrimmages are proof of

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 8:51am

in 92 the coach threw the game on purpose. The situations are incomparable.

here's to hoping

6/23/21 9:00am

It’s illustrative of the false meaning people attach to these things.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 9:15am

Watch high level boys soccer. And then watch the woman’s national team.

RalphWiggam

6/23/21 10:24am

So are you saying that the Women’s national team would beat…

AZPTCOUG

6/23/21 9:40pm

Let me be clear: I’m saying this and only this: people read too much into these

StalwartBraveTrue

6/24/21 8:21am

All that proves is that select college team likely would have been able to win..

brick oven

6/23/21 10:08am

Thank you for proving my point. Way too much read into these things.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 10:27am

the boys team beat the women's team 5-2 the same team that dominated the WWC

brick oven

6/23/21 11:12am

you don't get to dismiss reality because it doesn't jive with your worldview

brick oven

6/23/21 11:22am

I’ve been saying this for years.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 11:25am

Between and the OP, look at what is actually going on.

SpiffCoug

6/23/21 1:24pm

I wonder how many elite U15 girls teams would prevail

Traveling Coug

6/23/21 1:15pm

Not only US National Women, but other country's WNTs have been dominated by boys

NewMexiCoug

6/23/21 10:59am

And from Carli Lloyd's own mouth re: training with a U-18 boys team:

NewMexiCoug

6/23/21 11:02am

Not arguing the physical advantages at all. Just saying too much made of it all.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 11:28am

that’s the point of athletic competition

brick oven

6/23/21 3:52pm

I guess that is where we disagree

Carnac

6/23/21 3:58pm

I’m referring to a scrimmage between USWNT and a boys squad in Dallas.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/24/21 8:24am

Here are non-Olympian guys easily doing gymnastics moves that female Olympic champions struggle with

KingDave

6/23/21 7:41am

How dare you even contemplate that a trans person shouldn’t be able to compete.

CougGolf

6/23/21 7:36am

Many haven't bitten their lips and they are promptly attacked for being anti-T

BluebloodOR

6/23/21 2:27pm

Yes because it flies in the face of their previous arguments

Blue chunks

6/23/21 3:29pm

You know why you havent heard one and why you will never hear one

panacablue

6/23/21 7:50am

That’s why the Cox and Ryan Smith thing is so annoying to me. Shows you who Cox

cougfanz

6/23/21 8:06am

Not sure to what you are referring here.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 8:06am

yeah, politics isn't a popularity contest, it's an approval tournament

here's to hoping

6/23/21 8:49am

All about Silver’s views and keeping him happy with SLC for business reasons.

Soupie

6/23/21 8:07am

I believe he is sincere.

Florwood

6/23/21 8:47am

Yet even a year of hormones doesn’t reverse a lifetime of skeletal and muscle mass advantage.

Soupie

6/23/21 8:54am

If you’re 14-16 it’s different than if you’re 30.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 9:17am

Only by degrees but not removed. Feel it’s just plain wrong to do before adulthood, anyway.

Soupie

6/23/21 9:21am

Agree completely. Some things shouldn’t be irreversibly changed based on the

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 9:32am

Puberty blockers are reversible, but provide the emotional protections

Florwood

6/23/21 2:34pm

It’s just wrong at that age. I know you have a trans child & I have no idea how old they were when transitioned but

Soupie

6/23/21 2:58pm

It’s a complicated issue full of

StalwartBraveTrue

6/24/21 8:28am

There was an attempt to ban trans women this year already in Utah legs

byukarl

6/23/21 12:55pm

Just wait until China loads their female Olympic teams with all men.

mudpupper

6/23/21 8:18am

And then intentionally infects everyone with a bug so we’ll all get 5g implants

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 8:53am

That’s what I’m hoping for

cougfanz

6/23/21 10:13am

Oh, yes. Please do this, China. Expose this nonsense for what it is. Would be

Iman23

6/23/21 1:15pm

The former East German Womens swim team would like to try out again

BYU Grounds

6/24/21 4:18pm

This article is pretty good

Florwood

6/23/21 8:41am

Isn’t this trans athlete 43 years old? How many other 43 female athletes are there in the Olympics?

SpiffCoug

6/23/21 9:03am

The WNBA has always had players with a Y chromosome.

ParentingNotForSissy

6/23/21 9:08am

Then women would never be competitive & sports would become obsolete for women.

Soupie

6/23/21 9:15am

Crazy how these people always present "solutions" that are really just anti women. It's despicable

YIsForBrigham

6/23/21 9:44am

I think you create a 3rd and or 4th division. If there’s enough support then

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 9:56am

1.7% seems high. Have an empirical citation for that? I'd like to be informed.

The Dark Knight

6/23/21 10:22am

This says intersex is about 2 in 10,000

ParentingNotForSissy

6/23/21 11:00am

0.018% sounds more accurate. You can fudge any stat by changing what counts.

Soupie

6/23/21 11:03am

This report says that Klinefelter syndrome (XXY chromosome) is not intersex.

ParentingNotForSissy

6/23/21 11:14am

Now you get down to the nuts and bolts. (Pun not intended).

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 11:34am

It's not fair and isn't intended to be. The reason is in Iman23's signature.

Ripliancum

6/23/21 9:28am

Because apparently a man with pretty feet looks good in pumps too (LOL).

LEDSFW

6/23/21 10:21am

Let me try to think like a progressive here. In every system there is an

HenderCoug

6/23/21 10:24am

At what point do normal women become the "oppressed" in this game, then?

DraperCoug22

6/23/21 11:02am

Disagree with the premise of “oppressed vs oppressors” being the driving

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 12:09pm

RE: Let me try to think like a progressive here. In every system there is an

Little Mac

6/23/21 10:25pm

Hopefully she wins and dominates, out lifts other competitors by large amounts.

MacGyver

6/23/21 10:34am

Agreed. It will be hilarious.

Carnac

6/23/21 11:08am

There is no logic, so don't try that route. It's The Church of Woke.

zonacougar

6/23/21 10:38am

Men shouldn't care. It's like men telling a woman how to handle childbirth.

BlackHawkCoug

6/23/21 11:53am

What a lazy argument.

Carnac

6/23/21 12:17pm

Oh the irony.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 12:55pm

So I should just stand by and let my daughters fight this battle on their own?

(Private)

6/23/21 12:30pm

Trans men compete against males

BlackHawkCoug

6/23/21 12:44pm

faulty logic

byukarl

6/23/21 12:52pm

Are you suggesting Lebron doesn’t have a genetic and physiologic advantage

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 1:03pm

You are trying too hard

Carnac

6/23/21 1:11pm

The least athletic boys high school all star players are closer to Lebron than the most athletic WNBA player.

YIsForBrigham

6/23/21 3:32pm

Just taking a different perspective.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/24/21 8:39am

If the trans woman…who is now male did it without use of drugs or hormones etc.

Blue chunks

6/23/21 7:15pm

On what basis do you assume I'm okay with trans men competing against men?

(Private)

6/23/21 1:09pm

It's an attack on the specific needs and concerns of women. It's not about trans people competing in sports. It's about

YIsForBrigham

6/23/21 3:30pm

Terrible take. Maybe one of the worst

YIsForBrigham

6/23/21 3:25pm

Exactly. History shows it is always best to stay silent when there is injustice

RealityCheck

6/24/21 4:37am

Watch the 100M finals from trials this year and I found something interesting...

(Private)

6/23/21 12:29pm

My best 100m time was a 10.51

StickyBumps

6/23/21 12:40pm

SBT says you are have hypocrital thinking.

Carnac

6/23/21 1:13pm

Because it isn't fair. Life isn't fair. The issue is about sensitivity and

doctorcoug

6/23/21 1:17pm

Except that historically we have created divisions to promote fairness

Carnac

6/23/21 1:32pm

I don't know how to solve this problem. What I do know is that a marginalized

doctorcoug

6/23/21 1:41pm

I’m short and fat. I can’t be an Olympian either but I’m not clamoring for a

cougfanz

6/23/21 1:50pm

Is being fat a protected class with a history of significant discrimination?

doctorcoug

6/23/21 2:16pm

Now that you say that, I heard a commercial the other day

Carnac

6/23/21 2:20pm

Yes. In general, obesity is more discriminated against than gender transitioning

cougfanz

6/23/21 2:20pm

I have no problem helping marginalized people get some help

Carnac

6/23/21 1:58pm

seeking inclusion at the exclusion of others... brilliant

brick oven

6/23/21 3:21pm

Why not just let Trans-Women still compete in Men's competitions?

GhostRider

6/23/21 8:34pm

Yep. No one cares if they run against men w/ implants & a pony tail.

Soupie

6/23/21 10:02pm

oh that is bogus

byukarl

6/23/21 1:38pm

I'm not on the left, why the political discussion?

doctorcoug

6/23/21 1:42pm

99% of the people who think these ideas are good

Carnac

6/23/21 1:59pm

Governor Cox is the only republican I’ve heard that supports it

cougfanz

6/23/21 2:07pm

Libertarian...fair amount of conservative and liberal views in my brain

doctorcoug

6/23/21 2:17pm

don't confuse libertarian and conservative

byukarl

6/23/21 2:51pm

I'm not confusing this at all...I know my viewpoints. Open economy, free market

doctorcoug

6/23/21 3:39pm

Actually legalization of drugs and reduced barriers to trade are the same idea.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/24/21 8:42am

How about sensitivity to real women instead of this hybrid abnormality. If

Jasbo

6/23/21 9:27pm

I am pretty liberal on a lot of issues, but I don't get this at all

ALC

6/23/21 5:45pm

I hadn’t even thought about it. These trans woman will be able to compete for

ColonelMustard

6/23/21 7:06pm

Imagine what this will do to college soccer, basketball and volleyball for women

travelcoug

6/23/21 9:24pm

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CougieMcCougFace

6/23/21 7:05pm

There isn't one.

SoValleyCOUG

6/24/21 8:29am

It is utterly ridiculous. As a 17 yr old I would have set world powerlifting

TheLoanArranger

6/24/21 9:21am

So you could bench 457, squat 603, and deadlift 683 at 17?

BigBlue04

6/24/21 4:09pm

He could also throw a football over that mountain

StalwartBraveTrue

6/24/21 4:11pm

In the 72 kg weight class (roughly 160 lbs), which is what I weighed at 17

TheLoanArranger

6/24/21 4:38pm

I don't think this is going to stop unless either: 1) women make a strong stand

Thrill

6/24/21 11:26am

I really do hope someone like China does this to show how ridiculous it is

cougfanz

6/24/21 4:32pm

I could see China or North Korea doing something like that.

Thrill

6/24/21 4:57pm

Sadly China is more likely to disappear trans folks than prop them up

StalwartBraveTrue

6/24/21 6:00pm

Not if they'd bring home gold medals.

GhostRider

6/24/21 6:42pm

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