They aren’t always. My dad always said (and he is right), “Fair doesn’t mean

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Jun 24, 2021
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Equal.” In that same vain, Liberty will not always equate to equality.

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I have yet to hear a valid point for why trans men competing w/women is fair.

Ned Schneebly

6/23/21 7:14am

The male skeleton on which the trans person is now built, developed as a male

Iman23

6/23/21 7:22am

You mean women ruin it for women again

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

6/23/21 8:18am

You mean males ruin it for females again.

LeftOfNormal

6/23/21 8:52am

I was joking

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

6/23/21 9:05am

It was funny. I laughed.

LeftOfNormal

6/23/21 9:13am

The reason is in your signature. Seriously.

Ripliancum

6/23/21 9:23am

Oh the irony.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 9:31am

our president is complicit in this. He's for it. That should tick off women

Mayor of Cougartown

6/24/21 7:48am

I don't think there will be any push back until women's activists start talking seriously about it.

John Doe

6/23/21 7:23am

This. Will be a battle of wokeness and only they will decide

cougfanz

6/23/21 8:02am

There have been some. They've been derisively labeled TERFs by the far left

reddead

6/23/21 9:08am

Yup, I’ve been watching this and laughing because we’ve been trying to sell the

Blue chunks

6/23/21 12:11pm

Right!!! Woman are so different than men....

IAmACougarManSir....

6/23/21 1:43pm

RE: Right!!! Woman are so different than men....

Carnac

6/23/21 1:55pm

Right!! If a woman were president she’d start wars and stuff.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 1:57pm

RE: Right!! If a woman were president she’d start wars and stuff.

Carnac

6/23/21 2:00pm

How dare you equate daughters of god to filthy spitting animals?!?

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 2:21pm

The women who are critical of it (of which there are many) are censored.

royal_blue

6/23/21 8:04am

See JK Rowling

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 9:15am

What about her? I don't follow Harry Potter.

John Doe

6/23/21 10:03am

She made some comments about how biological females need to be recognized

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 10:07am

Not even that. Her point is simply that women are women and trans women are trans women. Women have certain needs that

YIsForBrigham

6/23/21 10:09am

Thank you. I knew it was something like that.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 10:16am

RE: She made some comments about how biological females need to be recognized

imdocrob

6/23/21 12:19pm

Men and non-liberals will get shouted down here - need the libs to change tune

BYUfan92

6/23/21 12:27pm

wait until trans women start playing on the women's national soccer team...

icecougar

6/23/21 12:49pm

It won’t until we stop redefining simple words and phrases…

RealityCheck

6/24/21 5:58am

You seem to believe liberty and equality are opposites and mutually exclusive.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/24/21 8:17am

They aren’t always. My dad always said (and he is right), “Fair doesn’t mean

BYU-Ite

6/24/21 8:19am

Agree.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/24/21 10:51pm

Trans woman you mean?

BlackBart

6/23/21 7:23am

The average biological male has a significant advantage over the average

Corn Pop

6/23/21 7:24am

women’s olympic track and field times

brick oven

6/23/21 7:30am

And Serena and Venus lost to the 200th ranked men’s player in 1998/99

BlackBart

6/23/21 7:37am

Link:

BYU-Ite

6/23/21 7:44am

And the dream team lost to a bunch of select college players before 92 Olympics

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 8:02am

Did the women's olympic coach throw the game on purpose to prove to the players

here's to hoping

6/23/21 8:39am

It entirely proves the point that these situational scrimmages are proof of

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 8:51am

in 92 the coach threw the game on purpose. The situations are incomparable.

here's to hoping

6/23/21 9:00am

It’s illustrative of the false meaning people attach to these things.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 9:15am

Watch high level boys soccer. And then watch the woman’s national team.

RalphWiggam

6/23/21 10:24am

So are you saying that the Women’s national team would beat…

AZPTCOUG

6/23/21 9:40pm

Let me be clear: I’m saying this and only this: people read too much into these

StalwartBraveTrue

6/24/21 8:21am

All that proves is that select college team likely would have been able to win..

brick oven

6/23/21 10:08am

Thank you for proving my point. Way too much read into these things.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 10:27am

the boys team beat the women's team 5-2 the same team that dominated the WWC

brick oven

6/23/21 11:12am

you don't get to dismiss reality because it doesn't jive with your worldview

brick oven

6/23/21 11:22am

I’ve been saying this for years.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 11:25am

Between and the OP, look at what is actually going on.

SpiffCoug

6/23/21 1:24pm

I wonder how many elite U15 girls teams would prevail

Traveling Coug

6/23/21 1:15pm

Not only US National Women, but other country's WNTs have been dominated by boys

NewMexiCoug

6/23/21 10:59am

And from Carli Lloyd's own mouth re: training with a U-18 boys team:

NewMexiCoug

6/23/21 11:02am

Not arguing the physical advantages at all. Just saying too much made of it all.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 11:28am

that’s the point of athletic competition

brick oven

6/23/21 3:52pm

I guess that is where we disagree

Carnac

6/23/21 3:58pm

I’m referring to a scrimmage between USWNT and a boys squad in Dallas.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/24/21 8:24am

Here are non-Olympian guys easily doing gymnastics moves that female Olympic champions struggle with

KingDave

6/23/21 7:41am

How dare you even contemplate that a trans person shouldn’t be able to compete.

CougGolf

6/23/21 7:36am

Many haven't bitten their lips and they are promptly attacked for being anti-T

BluebloodOR

6/23/21 2:27pm

Yes because it flies in the face of their previous arguments

Blue chunks

6/23/21 3:29pm

You know why you havent heard one and why you will never hear one

panacablue

6/23/21 7:50am

That’s why the Cox and Ryan Smith thing is so annoying to me. Shows you who Cox

cougfanz

6/23/21 8:06am

Not sure to what you are referring here.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 8:06am

yeah, politics isn't a popularity contest, it's an approval tournament

here's to hoping

6/23/21 8:49am

All about Silver’s views and keeping him happy with SLC for business reasons.

Soupie

6/23/21 8:07am

I believe he is sincere.

Florwood

6/23/21 8:47am

Yet even a year of hormones doesn’t reverse a lifetime of skeletal and muscle mass advantage.

Soupie

6/23/21 8:54am

If you’re 14-16 it’s different than if you’re 30.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 9:17am

Only by degrees but not removed. Feel it’s just plain wrong to do before adulthood, anyway.

Soupie

6/23/21 9:21am

Agree completely. Some things shouldn’t be irreversibly changed based on the

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 9:32am

Puberty blockers are reversible, but provide the emotional protections

Florwood

6/23/21 2:34pm

It’s just wrong at that age. I know you have a trans child & I have no idea how old they were when transitioned but

Soupie

6/23/21 2:58pm

It’s a complicated issue full of

StalwartBraveTrue

6/24/21 8:28am

There was an attempt to ban trans women this year already in Utah legs

byukarl

6/23/21 12:55pm

Just wait until China loads their female Olympic teams with all men.

mudpupper

6/23/21 8:18am

And then intentionally infects everyone with a bug so we’ll all get 5g implants

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 8:53am

That’s what I’m hoping for

cougfanz

6/23/21 10:13am

Oh, yes. Please do this, China. Expose this nonsense for what it is. Would be

Iman23

6/23/21 1:15pm

The former East German Womens swim team would like to try out again

BYU Grounds

6/24/21 4:18pm

This article is pretty good

Florwood

6/23/21 8:41am

Isn’t this trans athlete 43 years old? How many other 43 female athletes are there in the Olympics?

SpiffCoug

6/23/21 9:03am

The WNBA has always had players with a Y chromosome.

ParentingNotForSissy

6/23/21 9:08am

Then women would never be competitive & sports would become obsolete for women.

Soupie

6/23/21 9:15am

Crazy how these people always present "solutions" that are really just anti women. It's despicable

YIsForBrigham

6/23/21 9:44am

I think you create a 3rd and or 4th division. If there’s enough support then

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 9:56am

1.7% seems high. Have an empirical citation for that? I'd like to be informed.

The Dark Knight

6/23/21 10:22am

This says intersex is about 2 in 10,000

ParentingNotForSissy

6/23/21 11:00am

0.018% sounds more accurate. You can fudge any stat by changing what counts.

Soupie

6/23/21 11:03am

This report says that Klinefelter syndrome (XXY chromosome) is not intersex.

ParentingNotForSissy

6/23/21 11:14am

Now you get down to the nuts and bolts. (Pun not intended).

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 11:34am

It's not fair and isn't intended to be. The reason is in Iman23's signature.

Ripliancum

6/23/21 9:28am

Because apparently a man with pretty feet looks good in pumps too (LOL).

LEDSFW

6/23/21 10:21am

Let me try to think like a progressive here. In every system there is an

HenderCoug

6/23/21 10:24am

At what point do normal women become the "oppressed" in this game, then?

DraperCoug22

6/23/21 11:02am

Disagree with the premise of “oppressed vs oppressors” being the driving

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 12:09pm

RE: Let me try to think like a progressive here. In every system there is an

Little Mac

6/23/21 10:25pm

Hopefully she wins and dominates, out lifts other competitors by large amounts.

MacGyver

6/23/21 10:34am

Agreed. It will be hilarious.

Carnac

6/23/21 11:08am

There is no logic, so don't try that route. It's The Church of Woke.

zonacougar

6/23/21 10:38am

Men shouldn't care. It's like men telling a woman how to handle childbirth.

BlackHawkCoug

6/23/21 11:53am

What a lazy argument.

Carnac

6/23/21 12:17pm

Oh the irony.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 12:55pm

So I should just stand by and let my daughters fight this battle on their own?

(Private)

6/23/21 12:30pm

Trans men compete against males

BlackHawkCoug

6/23/21 12:44pm

faulty logic

byukarl

6/23/21 12:52pm

Are you suggesting Lebron doesn’t have a genetic and physiologic advantage

StalwartBraveTrue

6/23/21 1:03pm

You are trying too hard

Carnac

6/23/21 1:11pm

The least athletic boys high school all star players are closer to Lebron than the most athletic WNBA player.

YIsForBrigham

6/23/21 3:32pm

Just taking a different perspective.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/24/21 8:39am

If the trans woman…who is now male did it without use of drugs or hormones etc.

Blue chunks

6/23/21 7:15pm

On what basis do you assume I'm okay with trans men competing against men?

(Private)

6/23/21 1:09pm

It's an attack on the specific needs and concerns of women. It's not about trans people competing in sports. It's about

YIsForBrigham

6/23/21 3:30pm

Terrible take. Maybe one of the worst

YIsForBrigham

6/23/21 3:25pm

Exactly. History shows it is always best to stay silent when there is injustice

RealityCheck

6/24/21 4:37am

Watch the 100M finals from trials this year and I found something interesting...

(Private)

6/23/21 12:29pm

My best 100m time was a 10.51

StickyBumps

6/23/21 12:40pm

SBT says you are have hypocrital thinking.

Carnac

6/23/21 1:13pm

Because it isn't fair. Life isn't fair. The issue is about sensitivity and

doctorcoug

6/23/21 1:17pm

Except that historically we have created divisions to promote fairness

Carnac

6/23/21 1:32pm

I don't know how to solve this problem. What I do know is that a marginalized

doctorcoug

6/23/21 1:41pm

I’m short and fat. I can’t be an Olympian either but I’m not clamoring for a

cougfanz

6/23/21 1:50pm

Is being fat a protected class with a history of significant discrimination?

doctorcoug

6/23/21 2:16pm

Now that you say that, I heard a commercial the other day

Carnac

6/23/21 2:20pm

Yes. In general, obesity is more discriminated against than gender transitioning

cougfanz

6/23/21 2:20pm

I have no problem helping marginalized people get some help

Carnac

6/23/21 1:58pm

seeking inclusion at the exclusion of others... brilliant

brick oven

6/23/21 3:21pm

Why not just let Trans-Women still compete in Men's competitions?

GhostRider

6/23/21 8:34pm

Yep. No one cares if they run against men w/ implants & a pony tail.

Soupie

6/23/21 10:02pm

oh that is bogus

byukarl

6/23/21 1:38pm

I'm not on the left, why the political discussion?

doctorcoug

6/23/21 1:42pm

99% of the people who think these ideas are good

Carnac

6/23/21 1:59pm

Governor Cox is the only republican I’ve heard that supports it

cougfanz

6/23/21 2:07pm

Libertarian...fair amount of conservative and liberal views in my brain

doctorcoug

6/23/21 2:17pm

don't confuse libertarian and conservative

byukarl

6/23/21 2:51pm

I'm not confusing this at all...I know my viewpoints. Open economy, free market

doctorcoug

6/23/21 3:39pm

Actually legalization of drugs and reduced barriers to trade are the same idea.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/24/21 8:42am

How about sensitivity to real women instead of this hybrid abnormality. If

Jasbo

6/23/21 9:27pm

I am pretty liberal on a lot of issues, but I don't get this at all

ALC

6/23/21 5:45pm

I hadn’t even thought about it. These trans woman will be able to compete for

ColonelMustard

6/23/21 7:06pm

Imagine what this will do to college soccer, basketball and volleyball for women

travelcoug

6/23/21 9:24pm

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CougieMcCougFace

6/23/21 7:05pm

There isn't one.

SoValleyCOUG

6/24/21 8:29am

It is utterly ridiculous. As a 17 yr old I would have set world powerlifting

TheLoanArranger

6/24/21 9:21am

So you could bench 457, squat 603, and deadlift 683 at 17?

BigBlue04

6/24/21 4:09pm

He could also throw a football over that mountain

StalwartBraveTrue

6/24/21 4:11pm

In the 72 kg weight class (roughly 160 lbs), which is what I weighed at 17

TheLoanArranger

6/24/21 4:38pm

I don't think this is going to stop unless either: 1) women make a strong stand

Thrill

6/24/21 11:26am

I really do hope someone like China does this to show how ridiculous it is

cougfanz

6/24/21 4:32pm

I could see China or North Korea doing something like that.

Thrill

6/24/21 4:57pm

Sadly China is more likely to disappear trans folks than prop them up

StalwartBraveTrue

6/24/21 6:00pm

Not if they'd bring home gold medals.

GhostRider

6/24/21 6:42pm

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