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Jun 23, 2021
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doctorcoug
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I don't know how to solve this problem. What I do know is that a marginalized
class of citizens is seeking for inclusion, where there is none available.
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I have yet to hear a valid point for why trans men competing w/women is fair.
Ned Schneebly
6/23/21 7:14am
The male skeleton on which the trans person is now built, developed as a male
Iman23
6/23/21 7:22am
You mean women ruin it for women again
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
6/23/21 8:18am
You mean males ruin it for females again.
LeftOfNormal
6/23/21 8:52am
I was joking
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
6/23/21 9:05am
It was funny. I laughed.
LeftOfNormal
6/23/21 9:13am
The reason is in your signature. Seriously.
Ripliancum
6/23/21 9:23am
Oh the irony.
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 9:31am
our president is complicit in this. He's for it. That should tick off women
Mayor of Cougartown
6/24/21 7:48am
I don't think there will be any push back until women's activists start talking seriously about it.
John Doe
6/23/21 7:23am
This. Will be a battle of wokeness and only they will decide
cougfanz
6/23/21 8:02am
There have been some. They've been derisively labeled TERFs by the far left
reddead
6/23/21 9:08am
Yup, I’ve been watching this and laughing because we’ve been trying to sell the
Blue chunks
6/23/21 12:11pm
Right!!! Woman are so different than men....
IAmACougarManSir....
6/23/21 1:43pm
RE: Right!!! Woman are so different than men....
Carnac
6/23/21 1:55pm
Right!! If a woman were president she’d start wars and stuff.
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 1:57pm
RE: Right!! If a woman were president she’d start wars and stuff.
Carnac
6/23/21 2:00pm
How dare you equate daughters of god to filthy spitting animals?!?
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 2:21pm
The women who are critical of it (of which there are many) are censored.
royal_blue
6/23/21 8:04am
See JK Rowling
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 9:15am
What about her? I don't follow Harry Potter.
John Doe
6/23/21 10:03am
She made some comments about how biological females need to be recognized
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 10:07am
Not even that. Her point is simply that women are women and trans women are trans women. Women have certain needs that
YIsForBrigham
6/23/21 10:09am
Thank you. I knew it was something like that.
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 10:16am
RE: She made some comments about how biological females need to be recognized
imdocrob
6/23/21 12:19pm
Men and non-liberals will get shouted down here - need the libs to change tune
BYUfan92
6/23/21 12:27pm
wait until trans women start playing on the women's national soccer team...
icecougar
6/23/21 12:49pm
It won’t until we stop redefining simple words and phrases…
RealityCheck
6/24/21 5:58am
You seem to believe liberty and equality are opposites and mutually exclusive.
StalwartBraveTrue
6/24/21 8:17am
They aren’t always. My dad always said (and he is right), “Fair doesn’t mean
BYU-Ite
6/24/21 8:19am
Agree.
StalwartBraveTrue
6/24/21 10:51pm
Trans woman you mean?
BlackBart
6/23/21 7:23am
The average biological male has a significant advantage over the average
Corn Pop
6/23/21 7:24am
women’s olympic track and field times
brick oven
6/23/21 7:30am
And Serena and Venus lost to the 200th ranked men’s player in 1998/99
BlackBart
6/23/21 7:37am
Link:
BYU-Ite
6/23/21 7:44am
And the dream team lost to a bunch of select college players before 92 Olympics
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 8:02am
Did the women's olympic coach throw the game on purpose to prove to the players
here's to hoping
6/23/21 8:39am
It entirely proves the point that these situational scrimmages are proof of
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 8:51am
in 92 the coach threw the game on purpose. The situations are incomparable.
here's to hoping
6/23/21 9:00am
It’s illustrative of the false meaning people attach to these things.
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 9:15am
Watch high level boys soccer. And then watch the woman’s national team.
RalphWiggam
6/23/21 10:24am
So are you saying that the Women’s national team would beat…
AZPTCOUG
6/23/21 9:40pm
Let me be clear: I’m saying this and only this: people read too much into these
StalwartBraveTrue
6/24/21 8:21am
All that proves is that select college team likely would have been able to win..
brick oven
6/23/21 10:08am
Thank you for proving my point. Way too much read into these things.
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 10:27am
the boys team beat the women's team 5-2 the same team that dominated the WWC
brick oven
6/23/21 11:12am
you don't get to dismiss reality because it doesn't jive with your worldview
brick oven
6/23/21 11:22am
I’ve been saying this for years.
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 11:25am
Between and the OP, look at what is actually going on.
SpiffCoug
6/23/21 1:24pm
I wonder how many elite U15 girls teams would prevail
Traveling Coug
6/23/21 1:15pm
Not only US National Women, but other country's WNTs have been dominated by boys
NewMexiCoug
6/23/21 10:59am
And from Carli Lloyd's own mouth re: training with a U-18 boys team:
NewMexiCoug
6/23/21 11:02am
Not arguing the physical advantages at all. Just saying too much made of it all.
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 11:28am
that’s the point of athletic competition
brick oven
6/23/21 3:52pm
I guess that is where we disagree
Carnac
6/23/21 3:58pm
I’m referring to a scrimmage between USWNT and a boys squad in Dallas.
StalwartBraveTrue
6/24/21 8:24am
Here are non-Olympian guys easily doing gymnastics moves that female Olympic champions struggle with
KingDave
6/23/21 7:41am
How dare you even contemplate that a trans person shouldn’t be able to compete.
CougGolf
6/23/21 7:36am
Many haven't bitten their lips and they are promptly attacked for being anti-T
BluebloodOR
6/23/21 2:27pm
Yes because it flies in the face of their previous arguments
Blue chunks
6/23/21 3:29pm
You know why you havent heard one and why you will never hear one
panacablue
6/23/21 7:50am
That’s why the Cox and Ryan Smith thing is so annoying to me. Shows you who Cox
cougfanz
6/23/21 8:06am
Not sure to what you are referring here.
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 8:06am
yeah, politics isn't a popularity contest, it's an approval tournament
here's to hoping
6/23/21 8:49am
All about Silver’s views and keeping him happy with SLC for business reasons.
Soupie
6/23/21 8:07am
I believe he is sincere.
Florwood
6/23/21 8:47am
Yet even a year of hormones doesn’t reverse a lifetime of skeletal and muscle mass advantage.
Soupie
6/23/21 8:54am
If you’re 14-16 it’s different than if you’re 30.
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 9:17am
Only by degrees but not removed. Feel it’s just plain wrong to do before adulthood, anyway.
Soupie
6/23/21 9:21am
Agree completely. Some things shouldn’t be irreversibly changed based on the
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 9:32am
Puberty blockers are reversible, but provide the emotional protections
Florwood
6/23/21 2:34pm
It’s just wrong at that age. I know you have a trans child & I have no idea how old they were when transitioned but
Soupie
6/23/21 2:58pm
It’s a complicated issue full of
StalwartBraveTrue
6/24/21 8:28am
There was an attempt to ban trans women this year already in Utah legs
byukarl
6/23/21 12:55pm
Just wait until China loads their female Olympic teams with all men.
mudpupper
6/23/21 8:18am
And then intentionally infects everyone with a bug so we’ll all get 5g implants
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 8:53am
That’s what I’m hoping for
cougfanz
6/23/21 10:13am
Oh, yes. Please do this, China. Expose this nonsense for what it is. Would be
Iman23
6/23/21 1:15pm
The former East German Womens swim team would like to try out again
BYU Grounds
6/24/21 4:18pm
This article is pretty good
Florwood
6/23/21 8:41am
Isn’t this trans athlete 43 years old? How many other 43 female athletes are there in the Olympics?
SpiffCoug
6/23/21 9:03am
The WNBA has always had players with a Y chromosome.
ParentingNotForSissy
6/23/21 9:08am
Then women would never be competitive & sports would become obsolete for women.
Soupie
6/23/21 9:15am
Crazy how these people always present "solutions" that are really just anti women. It's despicable
YIsForBrigham
6/23/21 9:44am
I think you create a 3rd and or 4th division. If there’s enough support then
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 9:56am
1.7% seems high. Have an empirical citation for that? I'd like to be informed.
The Dark Knight
6/23/21 10:22am
This says intersex is about 2 in 10,000
ParentingNotForSissy
6/23/21 11:00am
0.018% sounds more accurate. You can fudge any stat by changing what counts.
Soupie
6/23/21 11:03am
This report says that Klinefelter syndrome (XXY chromosome) is not intersex.
ParentingNotForSissy
6/23/21 11:14am
Now you get down to the nuts and bolts. (Pun not intended).
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 11:34am
It's not fair and isn't intended to be. The reason is in Iman23's signature.
Ripliancum
6/23/21 9:28am
Because apparently a man with pretty feet looks good in pumps too (LOL).
LEDSFW
6/23/21 10:21am
Let me try to think like a progressive here. In every system there is an
HenderCoug
6/23/21 10:24am
At what point do normal women become the "oppressed" in this game, then?
DraperCoug22
6/23/21 11:02am
Disagree with the premise of “oppressed vs oppressors” being the driving
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 12:09pm
RE: Let me try to think like a progressive here. In every system there is an
Little Mac
6/23/21 10:25pm
Hopefully she wins and dominates, out lifts other competitors by large amounts.
MacGyver
6/23/21 10:34am
Agreed. It will be hilarious.
Carnac
6/23/21 11:08am
There is no logic, so don't try that route. It's The Church of Woke.
zonacougar
6/23/21 10:38am
Men shouldn't care. It's like men telling a woman how to handle childbirth.
BlackHawkCoug
6/23/21 11:53am
What a lazy argument.
Carnac
6/23/21 12:17pm
Oh the irony.
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 12:55pm
So I should just stand by and let my daughters fight this battle on their own?
(Private)
6/23/21 12:30pm
Trans men compete against males
BlackHawkCoug
6/23/21 12:44pm
faulty logic
byukarl
6/23/21 12:52pm
Are you suggesting Lebron doesn’t have a genetic and physiologic advantage
StalwartBraveTrue
6/23/21 1:03pm
You are trying too hard
Carnac
6/23/21 1:11pm
The least athletic boys high school all star players are closer to Lebron than the most athletic WNBA player.
YIsForBrigham
6/23/21 3:32pm
Just taking a different perspective.
StalwartBraveTrue
6/24/21 8:39am
If the trans woman…who is now male did it without use of drugs or hormones etc.
Blue chunks
6/23/21 7:15pm
On what basis do you assume I'm okay with trans men competing against men?
(Private)
6/23/21 1:09pm
It's an attack on the specific needs and concerns of women. It's not about trans people competing in sports. It's about
YIsForBrigham
6/23/21 3:30pm
Terrible take. Maybe one of the worst
YIsForBrigham
6/23/21 3:25pm
Exactly. History shows it is always best to stay silent when there is injustice
RealityCheck
6/24/21 4:37am
Watch the 100M finals from trials this year and I found something interesting...
(Private)
6/23/21 12:29pm
My best 100m time was a 10.51
StickyBumps
6/23/21 12:40pm
SBT says you are have hypocrital thinking.
Carnac
6/23/21 1:13pm
You’re a very fast man.
Zastava
6/23/21 9:51pm
Because it isn't fair. Life isn't fair. The issue is about sensitivity and
doctorcoug
6/23/21 1:17pm
Except that historically we have created divisions to promote fairness
Carnac
6/23/21 1:32pm
I don't know how to solve this problem. What I do know is that a marginalized
doctorcoug
6/23/21 1:41pm
I’m short and fat. I can’t be an Olympian either but I’m not clamoring for a
cougfanz
6/23/21 1:50pm
Is being fat a protected class with a history of significant discrimination?
doctorcoug
6/23/21 2:16pm
Now that you say that, I heard a commercial the other day
Carnac
6/23/21 2:20pm
Yes. In general, obesity is more discriminated against than gender transitioning
cougfanz
6/23/21 2:20pm
I have no problem helping marginalized people get some help
Carnac
6/23/21 1:58pm
seeking inclusion at the exclusion of others... brilliant
brick oven
6/23/21 3:21pm
Why not just let Trans-Women still compete in Men's competitions?
GhostRider
6/23/21 8:34pm
Yep. No one cares if they run against men w/ implants & a pony tail.
Soupie
6/23/21 10:02pm
oh that is bogus
byukarl
6/23/21 1:38pm
I'm not on the left, why the political discussion?
doctorcoug
6/23/21 1:42pm
99% of the people who think these ideas are good
Carnac
6/23/21 1:59pm
Governor Cox is the only republican I’ve heard that supports it
cougfanz
6/23/21 2:07pm
Libertarian...fair amount of conservative and liberal views in my brain
doctorcoug
6/23/21 2:17pm
don't confuse libertarian and conservative
byukarl
6/23/21 2:51pm
I'm not confusing this at all...I know my viewpoints. Open economy, free market
doctorcoug
6/23/21 3:39pm
Actually legalization of drugs and reduced barriers to trade are the same idea.
StalwartBraveTrue
6/24/21 8:42am
How about sensitivity to real women instead of this hybrid abnormality. If
Jasbo
6/23/21 9:27pm
You’re clearly not thinking like a radical leftist.
Zastava
6/23/21 5:42pm
This is why the extremes in both parties need to replaced
ALC
6/23/21 5:47pm
I think we need forced re-education camps for extremists. Cull the idea pool.
RealityCheck
6/24/21 4:55am
I am pretty liberal on a lot of issues, but I don't get this at all
ALC
6/23/21 5:45pm
I hadn’t even thought about it. These trans woman will be able to compete for
ColonelMustard
6/23/21 7:06pm
Imagine what this will do to college soccer, basketball and volleyball for women
travelcoug
6/23/21 9:24pm
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CougieMcCougFace
6/23/21 7:05pm
There isn't one.
SoValleyCOUG
6/24/21 8:29am
It is utterly ridiculous. As a 17 yr old I would have set world powerlifting
TheLoanArranger
6/24/21 9:21am
So you could bench 457, squat 603, and deadlift 683 at 17?
BigBlue04
6/24/21 4:09pm
He could also throw a football over that mountain
StalwartBraveTrue
6/24/21 4:11pm
In the 72 kg weight class (roughly 160 lbs), which is what I weighed at 17
TheLoanArranger
6/24/21 4:38pm
I don't think this is going to stop unless either: 1) women make a strong stand
Thrill
6/24/21 11:26am
I really do hope someone like China does this to show how ridiculous it is
cougfanz
6/24/21 4:32pm
I could see China or North Korea doing something like that.
Thrill
6/24/21 4:57pm
Sadly China is more likely to disappear trans folks than prop them up
StalwartBraveTrue
6/24/21 6:00pm
Not if they'd bring home gold medals.
GhostRider
6/24/21 6:42pm
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