Look at how different countries have faired depending on their response. Not

Jul 13, 2021
8:20:16pm

Jstak17 All-American

saying it’s alway worth it, but shutdowns, masks, etc clearly changed the degree and how the disease spread. Look at Australia vs the United States. Clearly actions matter. Even before the vaccine.

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Time

What is your take on this vaccine podcast?

Pretorian

7/13/21 7:33pm

Hahahaha they lose me at “ivermectin is more safe and effective than the vaccine.”

Virginia Ute

7/13/21 7:35pm

Why? They act like it’s totally safe?

Pretorian

7/13/21 7:38pm

Safe? Usually. Effective? Not so much

Slim

7/13/21 7:39pm

I never looked into the claims that ivermectin is what helped India and Mexico earlier this year when they were all the

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 7:43pm

Things went horribly in India

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 7:45pm

And then got better, right? Why? The podcast suggests it was due to ivermectin use. Was that the case? I don't know.

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 7:47pm

After more than a million people died

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 7:56pm

Right. But what did they do to stop millions from dying, unless there are still millions of Indians dying? Did they do

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 7:58pm

The disease hits in waves it followed that same pattern in India. Eventually it

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:03pm

Ok. So India did nothing?

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 8:04pm

They burned a lot of corpses

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:05pm

Oh, so burning the corpses is what stopped their wave?

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 8:06pm

You think it was ivermectin that stopped their wave? Lol.

Virginia Ute

7/13/21 9:20pm

Lol. No. I was asking if that is what it was as was claimed in the podcast, and if it wasn’t that, what was it?

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 9:43pm

“Available hosts” there are plenty of people still in India… the question is

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:34pm

With the shutdown those people weren’t interacting

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:36pm

India was locked down from the beginning

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:39pm

From 2020 until now? No.

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:42pm

RE: Right. But what did they do to stop millions from dying, unless there are

JOPE

7/13/21 8:05pm

It’s insane that people are arguing India as an example of what to do

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:07pm

Please don't think I'm trying to defend what India did. I'm trying to understand if they did anything that changed the

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 8:12pm

New York’s First Wave started at the beginning of March and was over by the end

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:21pm

So they did nothing. The virus did what it's going to do. All mitigation attempts are meaningless. The only thing that

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 8:10pm

They shut their country down

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:13pm

And they shut it down last year. So it looks like, all they "accomplished" is showing that only the vaccine can combat

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 8:16pm

Real shutdowns end the wave

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:17pm

Which isn't a feasible solution. Should have added that qualifier. Vaccines are the only feasible/realistic action

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 8:20pm

They even shutdown construction crews. Door to door salesmen were essential here

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:23pm

When we were getting slammed here people were telling me we should lock

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:37pm

Look at how different countries have faired depending on their response. Not

Jstak17

7/13/21 8:20pm

Fair enough. Ending international travel EARLY and never really reopening it can help as well.

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 8:25pm

Or we could choose to vaccinate. Let’s go with that.

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:27pm

Yep. Is the Only thing that has both worked and is feasible.

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 9:44pm

Look at California vs Florida…. Not much difference

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:41pm

Looking at different states isn’t going to tell you much. Because culturally

Jstak17

7/13/21 8:54pm

Completely untrue, Cal was locked down with a lot of people who were 100%

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:59pm

Things were different. But people gathered in California. Not withstanding

Jstak17

7/13/21 9:07pm

I believe the virus is an incredibly small and spreads primarily through the air

Pretorian

7/14/21 6:27am

I agree that the disease wasn’t spread much through large groups. But clearly

Jstak17

7/14/21 9:56am

I have not tried to convince others not to get the vaccine, only asked questions

Pretorian

7/14/21 11:47am

Yeah, I’m ready to be done with it too.

Jstak17

7/14/21 12:32pm

(400,000)

Benfica1

7/13/21 8:11pm

RE: (400,000)

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:14pm

I'm going by WorldMeter.

Benfica1

7/13/21 8:45pm

I wouldn’t trust Modi or China

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:53pm

How many people liv in India? What is the IFR there?

kotacoug

7/13/21 8:17pm

I’d like to see some in depth studies on ivermectin and covid-19. If it is as

Jstak17

7/13/21 8:05pm

RE: I’d like to see some in depth studies on ivermectin and covid-19. If

So it goes...

7/13/21 8:16pm

Interesting. Thank you.

Jstak17

7/13/21 8:37pm

Thank you for sharing this, this is what I was hoping to see

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:47pm

I think Weinstein is super smart, but he is dangerously close to a full-on anti-vaxxer.

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 7:37pm

I’d definitely say he’s an antivaxxer

Pretorian

7/13/21 7:43pm

I'm still differentiating COVID anti-vaxxers with all anti-vaxxers. I'm not sure where he stands on other vaccines, like

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 7:45pm

Why differentiate? It's the same logic and same idiocy.

Virginia Ute

7/13/21 7:49pm

Except the covid vaccine is the first from mRNA and has zero history

Pretorian

7/13/21 7:51pm

False.

Virginia Ute

7/13/21 9:20pm

True

Pretorian

7/14/21 6:28am

Because people who aren't getting the COVID vaccine have gotten their children the "normal" set of vaccines.

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 7:52pm

It's a (dumb) way of thinking.

Virginia Ute

7/13/21 8:03pm

Hey. It's not my way of thinking. But it's how I'm differentiating people who haven't demonstrated they won't get their

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 8:05pm

It’s a way of thinking that revolves around trusting hype and misinformation over numbers.

Virginia Ute

7/13/21 9:21pm

Would you say the same thing to people who refused to take the 1976 Swine Flu

SEUTAHCoug

7/13/21 10:28pm

I have. And the mRNA vaccines are not associated with GBS the way the 76 vaccine

hebercreeper

7/13/21 10:38pm

Would you criticize those who refused the swine flu vaccine back in 1976

SEUTAHCoug

7/13/21 11:08pm

I acknowledge that you are correct about the 1976 vaccine and that big

hebercreeper

7/13/21 11:19pm

Seems like you found what you were looking for

The Pope

7/13/21 7:37pm

tRNA doesn’t “build” proteins.

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 7:38pm

I just googled it and it seems quite closely related to the process

Pretorian

7/13/21 7:41pm

The video shows it’s role. It is a transfer molecule that brings specific amino

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 7:44pm

tRNA is a type of RNA molecule that helps decode an mRNA sequence into a protein

Pretorian

7/13/21 7:49pm

I literally gave you an animated video to watch and then I explained its role in

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 7:53pm

I literally googled a question and clipped the phrase, why be like this?

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:51pm

Because rather than watch a 4 minute video and learn what it actually does

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 9:02pm

Did you watch your own video? What is it they are making? A protein, and is tRNA

Pretorian

7/14/21 6:39am

Thanks for finally watching and listening

Charles Darwin

7/14/21 6:54am

You are literally arguing with Charles Darwin. Chew on that for a second.

TN_Coug

7/13/21 7:58pm

Charles who…? Never heard of her 😁

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:52pm

How would you propose using Ivermectin? Preemptively? Once one has symptoms? A

hebercreeper

7/13/21 7:41pm

I’m not doc, they are that’s why I bring this up

Pretorian

7/13/21 7:42pm

I'm a doc. It makes no sense.

hebercreeper

7/13/21 7:43pm

Same. Same.

Slim

7/13/21 7:44pm

I have no idea, why would they say that?

Pretorian

7/13/21 7:44pm

The better question isn't why he would say it, but rather, is it

hebercreeper

7/13/21 7:47pm

So who’s crazy and wrong?

Pretorian

7/13/21 7:53pm

The guy in your post.

hebercreeper

7/13/21 7:56pm

It's easier than you seem to think.

Byron McNertney

7/13/21 8:01pm

Yep. This one is easy. The COVID vaccine hesitancy reminds me of

hebercreeper

7/13/21 8:04pm

Remember this time last year when people were comparing masks to the golden serpent? Good times. Get vaccinated people.

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 8:17pm

So Fouci is a prophet?

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:54pm

No, but this guy is.

hebercreeper

7/13/21 9:00pm

RE: No, but this guy is.

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 9:02pm

Indeed

Pretorian

7/14/21 11:49am

Hmmm...why, indeed?

Byron McNertney

7/13/21 7:50pm

I’m a pharmacist and agree. It’s worthless.

PharmCoug

7/13/21 8:09pm

Yeh, side effects are being suppressed....we paused a vaccine after less than 10 reports of blood clots. Dumb.

CSoul

7/13/21 7:46pm

He's NOT the inventor of mRNA Vaccine.

So it goes...

7/13/21 8:02pm

Yes, I thought that claim was a little nuts to start with…

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:55pm

The cancelling of those expressing vaccine safety concerns is terrible!

Fervent Cougar

7/13/21 8:08pm

He’s cookoo for Cocoa Puffs.

KingDave

7/13/21 8:10pm

Just having a hard time not despising CB haters throwing guilt, insults, shame..

carcoug

7/13/21 10:05pm

VAERS is a reporting system not a cause/effect system.

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