I have. And the mRNA vaccines are not associated with GBS the way the 76 vaccine

Jul 13, 2021
10:38:19pm

hebercreeper Contributor

was. The J&J vaccine has a higher risk for GBS than the mRNA vaccines. Even so, the risk is much smaller than the risk of COVID.

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What is your take on this vaccine podcast?

Pretorian

7/13/21 7:33pm

Hahahaha they lose me at “ivermectin is more safe and effective than the vaccine.”

Virginia Ute

7/13/21 7:35pm

Why? They act like it’s totally safe?

Pretorian

7/13/21 7:38pm

Safe? Usually. Effective? Not so much

Slim

7/13/21 7:39pm

I never looked into the claims that ivermectin is what helped India and Mexico earlier this year when they were all the

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 7:43pm

Things went horribly in India

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 7:45pm

And then got better, right? Why? The podcast suggests it was due to ivermectin use. Was that the case? I don't know.

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 7:47pm

After more than a million people died

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 7:56pm

Right. But what did they do to stop millions from dying, unless there are still millions of Indians dying? Did they do

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 7:58pm

The disease hits in waves it followed that same pattern in India. Eventually it

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:03pm

Ok. So India did nothing?

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 8:04pm

They burned a lot of corpses

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:05pm

Oh, so burning the corpses is what stopped their wave?

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 8:06pm

You think it was ivermectin that stopped their wave? Lol.

Virginia Ute

7/13/21 9:20pm

Lol. No. I was asking if that is what it was as was claimed in the podcast, and if it wasn’t that, what was it?

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 9:43pm

“Available hosts” there are plenty of people still in India… the question is

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:34pm

With the shutdown those people weren’t interacting

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:36pm

India was locked down from the beginning

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:39pm

From 2020 until now? No.

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:42pm

RE: Right. But what did they do to stop millions from dying, unless there are

JOPE

7/13/21 8:05pm

It’s insane that people are arguing India as an example of what to do

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:07pm

Please don't think I'm trying to defend what India did. I'm trying to understand if they did anything that changed the

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 8:12pm

New York’s First Wave started at the beginning of March and was over by the end

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:21pm

So they did nothing. The virus did what it's going to do. All mitigation attempts are meaningless. The only thing that

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 8:10pm

They shut their country down

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:13pm

And they shut it down last year. So it looks like, all they "accomplished" is showing that only the vaccine can combat

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 8:16pm

Real shutdowns end the wave

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:17pm

Which isn't a feasible solution. Should have added that qualifier. Vaccines are the only feasible/realistic action

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 8:20pm

They even shutdown construction crews. Door to door salesmen were essential here

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:23pm

When we were getting slammed here people were telling me we should lock

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:37pm

Look at how different countries have faired depending on their response. Not

Jstak17

7/13/21 8:20pm

Fair enough. Ending international travel EARLY and never really reopening it can help as well.

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 8:25pm

Or we could choose to vaccinate. Let’s go with that.

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:27pm

Yep. Is the Only thing that has both worked and is feasible.

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 9:44pm

Look at California vs Florida…. Not much difference

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:41pm

Looking at different states isn’t going to tell you much. Because culturally

Jstak17

7/13/21 8:54pm

Completely untrue, Cal was locked down with a lot of people who were 100%

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:59pm

Things were different. But people gathered in California. Not withstanding

Jstak17

7/13/21 9:07pm

I believe the virus is an incredibly small and spreads primarily through the air

Pretorian

7/14/21 6:27am

I agree that the disease wasn’t spread much through large groups. But clearly

Jstak17

7/14/21 9:56am

I have not tried to convince others not to get the vaccine, only asked questions

Pretorian

7/14/21 11:47am

Yeah, I’m ready to be done with it too.

Jstak17

7/14/21 12:32pm

(400,000)

Benfica1

7/13/21 8:11pm

RE: (400,000)

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:14pm

I'm going by WorldMeter.

Benfica1

7/13/21 8:45pm

I wouldn’t trust Modi or China

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 8:53pm

How many people liv in India? What is the IFR there?

kotacoug

7/13/21 8:17pm

I’d like to see some in depth studies on ivermectin and covid-19. If it is as

Jstak17

7/13/21 8:05pm

RE: I’d like to see some in depth studies on ivermectin and covid-19. If

So it goes...

7/13/21 8:16pm

Interesting. Thank you.

Jstak17

7/13/21 8:37pm

Thank you for sharing this, this is what I was hoping to see

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:47pm

I think Weinstein is super smart, but he is dangerously close to a full-on anti-vaxxer.

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 7:37pm

I’d definitely say he’s an antivaxxer

Pretorian

7/13/21 7:43pm

I'm still differentiating COVID anti-vaxxers with all anti-vaxxers. I'm not sure where he stands on other vaccines, like

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 7:45pm

Why differentiate? It's the same logic and same idiocy.

Virginia Ute

7/13/21 7:49pm

Except the covid vaccine is the first from mRNA and has zero history

Pretorian

7/13/21 7:51pm

False.

Virginia Ute

7/13/21 9:20pm

True

Pretorian

7/14/21 6:28am

Because people who aren't getting the COVID vaccine have gotten their children the "normal" set of vaccines.

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 7:52pm

It's a (dumb) way of thinking.

Virginia Ute

7/13/21 8:03pm

Hey. It's not my way of thinking. But it's how I'm differentiating people who haven't demonstrated they won't get their

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 8:05pm

It’s a way of thinking that revolves around trusting hype and misinformation over numbers.

Virginia Ute

7/13/21 9:21pm

Would you say the same thing to people who refused to take the 1976 Swine Flu

SEUTAHCoug

7/13/21 10:28pm

I have. And the mRNA vaccines are not associated with GBS the way the 76 vaccine

hebercreeper

7/13/21 10:38pm

Would you criticize those who refused the swine flu vaccine back in 1976

SEUTAHCoug

7/13/21 11:08pm

I acknowledge that you are correct about the 1976 vaccine and that big

hebercreeper

7/13/21 11:19pm

Seems like you found what you were looking for

The Pope

7/13/21 7:37pm

tRNA doesn’t “build” proteins.

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 7:38pm

I just googled it and it seems quite closely related to the process

Pretorian

7/13/21 7:41pm

The video shows it’s role. It is a transfer molecule that brings specific amino

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 7:44pm

tRNA is a type of RNA molecule that helps decode an mRNA sequence into a protein

Pretorian

7/13/21 7:49pm

I literally gave you an animated video to watch and then I explained its role in

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 7:53pm

I literally googled a question and clipped the phrase, why be like this?

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:51pm

Because rather than watch a 4 minute video and learn what it actually does

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 9:02pm

Did you watch your own video? What is it they are making? A protein, and is tRNA

Pretorian

7/14/21 6:39am

Thanks for finally watching and listening

Charles Darwin

7/14/21 6:54am

You are literally arguing with Charles Darwin. Chew on that for a second.

TN_Coug

7/13/21 7:58pm

Charles who…? Never heard of her 😁

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:52pm

How would you propose using Ivermectin? Preemptively? Once one has symptoms? A

hebercreeper

7/13/21 7:41pm

I’m not doc, they are that’s why I bring this up

Pretorian

7/13/21 7:42pm

I'm a doc. It makes no sense.

hebercreeper

7/13/21 7:43pm

Same. Same.

Slim

7/13/21 7:44pm

I have no idea, why would they say that?

Pretorian

7/13/21 7:44pm

The better question isn't why he would say it, but rather, is it

hebercreeper

7/13/21 7:47pm

So who’s crazy and wrong?

Pretorian

7/13/21 7:53pm

The guy in your post.

hebercreeper

7/13/21 7:56pm

It's easier than you seem to think.

Byron McNertney

7/13/21 8:01pm

Yep. This one is easy. The COVID vaccine hesitancy reminds me of

hebercreeper

7/13/21 8:04pm

Remember this time last year when people were comparing masks to the golden serpent? Good times. Get vaccinated people.

SpiffCoug

7/13/21 8:17pm

So Fouci is a prophet?

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:54pm

No, but this guy is.

hebercreeper

7/13/21 9:00pm

RE: No, but this guy is.

Charles Darwin

7/13/21 9:02pm

Indeed

Pretorian

7/14/21 11:49am

Hmmm...why, indeed?

Byron McNertney

7/13/21 7:50pm

I’m a pharmacist and agree. It’s worthless.

PharmCoug

7/13/21 8:09pm

Yeh, side effects are being suppressed....we paused a vaccine after less than 10 reports of blood clots. Dumb.

CSoul

7/13/21 7:46pm

He's NOT the inventor of mRNA Vaccine.

So it goes...

7/13/21 8:02pm

Yes, I thought that claim was a little nuts to start with…

Pretorian

7/13/21 8:55pm

The cancelling of those expressing vaccine safety concerns is terrible!

Fervent Cougar

7/13/21 8:08pm

He’s cookoo for Cocoa Puffs.

KingDave

7/13/21 8:10pm

Just having a hard time not despising CB haters throwing guilt, insults, shame..

carcoug

7/13/21 10:05pm

VAERS is a reporting system not a cause/effect system.

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