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Sep 20, 2021
2:25:09pm

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Firstly I'm not an expert. But I have spent lots of time around people with DS and though not violent I saw lots of

instances where competition made them very animated (but in a good way. Usually). To jump from the stands and try to grab a flag is totally in the possibilities IMO. He wasn't after the bearer. It was that big read, waving, obnoxious flag. If he did have DS (and I still think he had something like that) he either wanted to pull the flag down, or grab it and run with it himself. Looked like a lot of fun didn't it?

Anyway Eddie and the other know-it-alls who may have not even been there but want to challenge me may disagree. That is their right. CB is a great venue for people to argue about such things.

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Utes learning a lesson in humility? Embarrassed for their behavior?

BYU-Laie

9/20/21 2:28am

I would hope this is the case but I honestly don’t have any “neutral”

Refugee

9/20/21 5:27am

Anywhere with a lot of members. I live in Hawaii

BYU-Laie

9/20/21 5:51am

I’m in Rexburg. Lots of members and fans. Not as many Ute fans here...

Refugee

9/20/21 6:43am

I agree. Seems like the majority of ute fans have no self awareness when it comes to their behavior in the rivalry.

SwimmingWithSharks

9/20/21 10:59am

Maybe she me if the Utah fans are finally noticing this

1CougFan

9/20/21 6:02am

Some of the Utah fans but not all

1CougFan

9/20/21 6:03am

I am just glad we haven’t ever had any embarrassing fan behavior like someone

CDV

9/20/21 6:44am

Whelp… guess there’s always that one

sundance

9/20/21 6:58am

I vaguely remember this. What happened?

Shore10

9/20/21 7:04am

Utes scored. Their cheerleaders ran around what was then Cougar Stadium waving their big red flag. BYU student in the

CDV

9/20/21 7:16am

Minor error. He jumped from the stands and tried to steal the flag. Then beat up

BYUinTX

9/20/21 7:23am

The BYU fan was a twit - but didn't throw any punches.

Eddie

9/20/21 8:59am

His motivation is somewhat irrelevant once he tackles someone

Tricky

9/20/21 9:25am

I thought that's what I was saying. But I probably wasn't clear.

Eddie

9/20/21 9:35am

Didn't that cheerleader turn out to be a BYU reject who had an axe to grind?

SwimmingWithSharks

9/20/21 11:04am

I think he had an axe to grind because he was tackled while performing his

kos

9/20/21 12:06pm

Actually the question need not be asked. The fact is he was. And the guy who jumped was mentally impaired.

SwimmingWithSharks

9/20/21 12:12pm

I’ve never heard that he was mentally impaired. Any sources?

BYU-Laie

9/20/21 12:17pm

Yes me. I was right behind the goal post in that section. I could see his face. I've worked with enough kids over

SwimmingWithSharks

9/20/21 12:35pm

He was a student at BYU at the time of the incident.

Eddie

9/20/21 12:43pm

Worked at the mental hospital in SE Provo for five years. Call it a misdiagnosis but he looked DS to me

SwimmingWithSharks

9/20/21 12:54pm

Just watched the video of the incident and they said he was not a BYU student

BYU-Laie

9/20/21 1:37pm

Let's all agree to be friends and agree that the guy was wrong to jump from the stands and get himself pummeled.

SwimmingWithSharks

9/20/21 1:40pm

In my experience, people with Down syndrome are not aggressive or violent at all

BYU-Laie

9/20/21 1:52pm

Firstly I'm not an expert. But I have spent lots of time around people with DS and though not violent I saw lots of

SwimmingWithSharks

9/20/21 2:25pm

RE: Just watched the video of the incident and they said he was not a BYU

uteman1011

9/20/21 1:45pm

Nothing about the fan being mentally impaired

BYU-Laie

9/20/21 1:50pm

Also look at how the cheerleader was just wailing on the guy. Only a bully would keep punching when he could see the kid

SwimmingWithSharks

9/20/21 1:47pm

I hesitate to enter this silly fray but..

inutero

9/20/21 3:11pm

Thanks for that. Additional clarity is welcome.

SwimmingWithSharks

9/20/21 3:21pm

^this is an underrated response. "Any sources?" "Yes, me."

kos

9/20/21 4:37pm

I don't care if he had "I hate Brigham Young and all his wives" tattooed on his

Tricky

9/20/21 1:04pm

I don't recall apologizing for him. However I was appalled by the other guy's response. Was that warranted?

SwimmingWithSharks

9/20/21 1:20pm

No, I guess you're not apologizing for him...you're just not so subtly implying

kos

9/20/21 2:19pm

Go look at the video of it posted above. Then come back and tell me that the response was warranted!!!

SwimmingWithSharks

9/20/21 2:53pm

Yeesh, this really doesn't look good for you.

kos

9/20/21 3:39pm

How so?

SwimmingWithSharks

9/20/21 3:57pm

I genuinely am curious if there's more than one or two people on this board

kos

9/20/21 4:41pm

Actually, IIRC, he transferred to BYU the next year.

9/20/21 1:46pm

Really?

BYU-Laie

9/20/21 4:24pm

That's what I remember.

9/20/21 4:41pm

I know our fan was out of line, but those Utah cheerleaders were terrible.

9/20/21 11:14am

It's not "unsportsmanlike" to run around with a flag after your team scores.

Eddie

9/20/21 11:45am

And the cheerleader could probably have pressed charges against the BYU fan.

Tricky

9/20/21 1:07pm

I said two times in my post that the BYU fan was in the wrong. I am not excusing

9/20/21 2:42pm

Sure, the cheerleader may have been a complete

Tricky

9/21/21 10:20am

I've said now multiple times that the BYU fan behavior was dumb and not

9/21/21 2:38pm

I never said it was unsportsmanlike to wave your flag around after you score.

9/20/21 2:33pm

Yep. They taunted the crowd. Cheerleaders don't usually do that. Classy ones at least. Which brings us back to utes.

SwimmingWithSharks

9/20/21 3:20pm

So your main example is a single event from 1999?

Littlerich

9/20/21 7:34am

Exactly.

runnincoug

9/20/21 8:16am

I will say, we took my cousin's Ute fan husband to a game with us in 2009. He

coug719

9/20/21 10:22am

That's not bad fan behavior. That's protecting the turf! Put a statue up of that

OldFogey

9/20/21 8:07am

Wasn't that what Robert E Lee was doing? Yet his statues are being removed...

CougarThug

9/20/21 9:22am

RE: Wasn't that what Robert E Lee was doing? Yet his statues are being

9/20/21 10:56am

If you do that again, I'll hit your fist with my face SO HARD!!!

Tricky

9/20/21 9:26am

OldFogey

libertycoug

9/20/21 10:43am

Especially if that person was mentally handicapped in the first place. And the cheer leader still beat him silly

SwimmingWithSharks

9/20/21 11:02am

Simple: After 12 years we've forgotten how to administer "Winner's Smack"

anonymous37

9/20/21 2:01pm

Doubt it, Ute fans have no shame.

9/20/21 6:47am

When Utah was a BCS buster against Pitt and Bama lots of BYY fans cheered for

bruincoug

9/20/21 6:48am

I cheered for them when they were in the NCAA BB finals in 98 but later glad they lost when I read all of the posts

SwimmingWithSharks

9/20/21 11:09am

Many blatant, loud Ute fans in our SLC neighborhood are not that active in

Tarbo

9/20/21 7:26am

I'm not surprised.

BleedCougarBlue2

9/20/21 9:33am

1/2 of your take was hot. Mostly BYU fans are pretty classy about not rubbing

Incentivize

9/20/21 7:29am

I didn’t root against Utah until they joined Pac 12. HUGE Majerus fan in 90’s

9/20/21 7:39am

my extended family all cheered for Andre Miller, Keith Van Horn, Alex Smith et al back in the day. Once P12 came,

HarlemCoug

9/20/21 7:54am

I couldn't bring myself to root for them once Meyer was coach

davidsonlaw

9/20/21 8:14am

You are wrong there, I know thousands of BYU fans who used to cheer for Utah

byublue42

9/20/21 8:25am

I agree with this. I used to root for the Utes. I still don't actively root

RUNBYU1

9/20/21 9:04am

Urban didn't help, but it wasn't just him.

Eddie

9/20/21 9:11am

I'm an Alum of both schools, but TRUE BLUE THROUGH AND THROUGH. Root for both

jtm0001

9/20/21 11:15am

As time went on I began to realize that Max Hall was right.

9/20/21 11:24am

I've been cussed at, spat on & beer "accidentally" spilled on me @ Rice Eccles

jtm0001

9/20/21 11:37am

Chris Hill poured a lot of poison into the bad-blood well of the rivalry too.

SwimmingWithSharks

9/20/21 11:15am

I agree with that 100%, it seemed it was his goal to add as much poison towards

byublue42

9/20/21 12:30pm

Yewt band playing their fight song during senior presentations long after the

Shawarma

9/20/21 8:04am

The breaking point for me was when they tried to tear down the north goal post at Cougar Stadium when they won by a

SwimmingWithSharks

9/20/21 11:27am

Fortunately Chad Lewis ran the length of the field and put a stop to it (his team mates followed behind him).

dilbert

9/20/21 2:54pm

"I explained that in my experience we’ve never been that way to them."

OPINIONS

9/20/21 8:07am

Yes. We were cocky for sure. Looking forward to doing it again! 🙂

fulano

9/20/21 8:13am

I dunno. My BIL was spewing all kinds of vitriol against BYU last week on...

Hawk in the 303

9/20/21 8:20am

You must be young. Yewts have been acting this way for decades.

SoValleyCOUG

9/20/21 8:27am

I rooted passionately for Utah whenever they weren't playing BYU

MyTwoCents

9/20/21 8:34am

Same.

Benfica1

9/20/21 8:47am

I think this goes for a ton of BYU fans.

RUNBYU1

9/20/21 9:05am

Does for me. Went to the U as a freshman. Utterly refuse to cheer for them now.

BleedCougarBlue2

9/20/21 9:39am

Did you know of any Utah fans who cheered for BYU?

9/20/21 10:52am

not really.

Benfica1

9/20/21 11:06am

I find that there is a lot of resentment for the popularity of BYU

9/20/21 11:13am

RE: Did you know of any Utah fans who cheered for BYU?

uteman1011

9/20/21 11:35am

The bitterness from from BYU fans was not because we lost

9/20/21 11:51am

THIS ^^^^ The leader of your football team is so disrespectful that he won't

BYUlv

9/20/21 1:07pm

So you are bigfoot-- not sure you really existed until you popped up. Glad you can be a diehard ute and civil with BYU

SwimmingWithSharks

9/20/21 11:52am

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BYU-Laie

9/20/21 11:57am

No - I doubt that is what is happening. They are embarrassed about losing but

truecougster

9/20/21 9:25am

This is probably true. But to be clear, for me, credit to BYU - you guys have

kos

9/20/21 10:18am

Nice of you to say - much appreciated. As I’ve said before, my concern is more

truecougster

9/20/21 11:41am

Impossible, they don't even sell humility at their stadium.

nybyblue

9/20/21 9:36am

I will never cheer for Utah. The more they lose, the better our recruiting gets.

Hill4Heisman

9/20/21 9:46am

I would be perfectly happy if the Utes never won another game ever.

9/20/21 10:41am

Yep, the only game I wanted Utah to lose was to BYU. Cheered every other time.

oldrugger

9/20/21 10:47am

I never cheered for the utes unless they could help BYU in conference standings. But I never gave ute fans

SwimmingWithSharks

9/20/21 10:55am

Fan behavior runs the gamut on both sides. Just wait until they win again.

StalwartBraveTrue

9/20/21 11:06am

I think Ute anti-BYU vitriol is roughly proportionate to that fan's resentment

Forzaitalia

9/20/21 11:46am

Never did most BYU fans cheer for Utah.

ochobeeguy

9/20/21 11:46am

Fact: The current toxicity can be traced to Urban Meyer and, subsequently,

TrueBlue67

9/20/21 12:11pm

The BYU hate started long before UM, but he perfected it. Whitt has carried the

Benfica1

9/20/21 12:55pm

Maybe they’re not embarrassed but the win was equivalent to taking their pitch

BYU-Laie

9/20/21 12:21pm

There is the vile portion of the Ute fan base that will never change. I grew up

BlooCoog

9/20/21 12:21pm

RE: There is the vile portion of the Ute fan base that will never change. I grew

uteman1011

9/20/21 1:48pm

Lol you're really delusional

9/20/21 2:04pm

Please provide evidence of Cougar fans being “vile.” Before you do that, please

BlooCoog

9/20/21 2:05pm

RE: Please provide evidence of Cougar fans being “vile.” Before you

uteman1011

9/20/21 4:00pm

RE: Please provide evidence of Cougar fans being “vile.” Before you

uteman1011

9/20/21 4:01pm

you must be friends with the smartest and most self-aware ute fans.

MaxxPower

9/20/21 12:53pm

I grew up rooting for yewtah when not playing BYU. My great uncle played

Mitty

9/20/21 1:03pm

Just look at who Utah puts in positions of leadership. That tells you enough.

HONOMO

9/20/21 1:14pm

RE: Just look at who Utah puts in positions of leadership. That tells you

uteman1011

9/20/21 2:08pm

Completely irrelevant to my post. Congrats. Love that straw man argument.

HONOMO

9/20/21 2:48pm

LoL that has about nothing to do with his post. Nice try though Ute.

9/20/21 2:58pm

They go back to their caves at times like this.

inutero

9/20/21 2:03pm

No need for either party to make unkind generalizations. That’s what Utes do

canofpicante

9/20/21 4:28pm

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